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• 1. ricc | May 2nd, 2008 at 5:53 pm

  RESPECT

• 2. Eiffel | May 2nd, 2008 at 6:15 pm

  Lebanonjon,

  Respect is not a one way issue. No one in the LF is greater than the other. What makes the guy handling the “official” more of an LF than someone who lost his brother or familly member to the cause?

  Who gives the right to Geagea’s bootlickers to call LF devoted people (such as Cedars) traitors?

  If you check the records of both, believe me, most of the decent guys are on the other side.

  The crooks and opportunistic thugs are the ones brownosing with the leadership.

  If the LF turns into the exact farm that Bashir wanted to fight, do we have to just sit on a bench and watch?

  If Hassan Nasrallah is considered as Divine by his supporters, only Jesus is divine for us. Hakim is just a human being like everyone else and he is therefore subject to error.

  Watching him err and following him is a crime to our cause..

• 3. Fred | May 2nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm

  ya Jame3a,

  Is there really any fundamental difference in the policy of .org or.com.?? i dont see anything different then why keeping these 2 sites with each claiming the “official”tag?
  This becoming somehow like the sweets of Hallab with many claiming to be “el Asli”
  Why dont the org guy just change the name and then the .com guyz can even add this site as a link on the lf sites section?
  Bala maskhara baáa

• 4. N10452 | May 2nd, 2008 at 8:28 pm

  LebanonJon,
  I have known you for years as well and i do respect you a lot and even if we disagreed on many issues, i would never bash you or insult you or direspect you in any way simply because you are an LFer .. you are a comrad …

  I believe it is totally unfair to put the blame on one team and specifically on cedars team here, since i havent seen anyone been treated in such a disrespectful ungrateful way as the lf.org team has been ..

  Years and years of hard work, years and years defending Hakim’s cause and preserving the LF when no one knew what internet was …

  It is not a website issue, and i find it really surprising that you speak that way of the forum, i am there and its not that way … if we chose to be a democratic forum, that doesnt make us a syrian one ..

  As for the ego part ..
  Whats in it for cedars ?? whats in it for any of the members and moderators ther ??

  Do you see us putting ads and making money ???

  What is being done is defying this new era the LF is witnessing, an era that we thought Hakim would fix but it turns out it got passed him … an era that we never imagine would occur .. where the LF would become another feudal party with sheep following a leader …

  that is wrong.. the LF is not what we are seeing nowadays, the LF is not praising Jumblatt’s party .. the LF is not playing secondary roles .. the LF is not saying we r Arabs .. The LF is not a one man show .. the LF doesnt belong to anyone !

  Official or not ..again whats in it for us ?? The only part that concerns me is keeping the LF line i believed in intact .. the official line founded by Sheikh Bashir .. and that only people can judge …not memos and definitly not hackers ..

  I always believe we could sort things out until i started finding out el ba3wassa wel manyake wel msabbet not to mention the threats .. and this on top of all ..

  AN LFER HACKING AN LF SITE ????

  Kess ekhtik malla 2iyyem !
  bass hek ..

• 5. sniper | May 2nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm

  Mawarit ya malak, RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT !!

  Opportunistic Lebanese/Christians are what got us here in the first place. I refrained from making the comparison between Michel Aoun and “N” but I did call him dillusional for a reason. To be honest with you, your postings were the only thing balancing this site and a lot of people share my sentiment.

  If this was me I would have shut the site down long time ago. We all made sacrifices for Lebanon and like my father used to say “3meil mni7 w’ kibb bil bahir”. Unfortunately these days everybody wants to be top dog, everybody wants to brag about their past, everybody wants $$$ and lots of $$$$$$.

• 6. Tarek | May 2nd, 2008 at 8:33 pm

  Well I agree that the official tag should be removed. But the way that .com is handling this is really disgusting. I’ve read some of the stuff there at .org, mainly about the hacking that happened. Though I might agree with what was said, it is very WRONG to post this article. This is harming the LF and this is what our enemies want.

• 7. N10452 | May 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 pm

  Sniper,
  I thank u for ur compliment .. fortunatelly for you you are free to say ur opinion here .. you can actually doubt and question posts and ideas … something missing in the LF sadly ..

  Eveybody wants $$$$ ??

  Barke my sponsors r pying for that blog eh ??? wlik tfeh bass tfeh …

  Wou iza mich 3ejbak el blog, i can kick u out .. cause u will never be able to shut it down .. neither u nor as7abak el hackers .. or should i say el zo3ran since apparently we r up to that reputation now ma3 hal 7araket .. they werent wrong after all .

• 8. B | May 2nd, 2008 at 8:40 pm

  wlak chou hal zebbel enta ya Sniper!

• 9. Mark | May 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pm

  I do find the official/unofficial thing a bit petty but really its not the main issue i have with the whole thing. There is a bigger picture here and thats the lack of professionalism with the people who run the official website.

  The people behind the site need to be visionaries and on the leading edge of all that is Internet, the current official official site team are not.

  I honestly don’t believe the IT department even know what the Internet really is and the potential of it. All I think they see is tayyar.org and how tayyar.org is successful and how they want to be like them. Thats as far as their vision goes.

  The fact that I and other sites were “ordered” to shutdown because the LF believes that there should be only 1 LF site on the Internet shows the lack of maturity they have. I am not talking about the fact they want to have just 1 official site, I am talking about the fact they want 1 LF site period, this blog is at the moment run against their wishes. According to them having multiple LF sites is a bad thing and that just goes to show the lack of understanding they have.

  Now I am not boasting or anything but if people still remember LebaneseForces.com and how we led in many ways you would see that if LF.com for example had some kind of support back then it would have been even better but even with the lack of official support and even when sometimes RA (who was somewhat of the sites official photographer back then) was banned from LF events we still managed to do our job. Now imagine if that site continued on till today with 100% support from the PR department of the LF and if we were given access to whatever we needed, imagine how great a site it would have been. It didn’t have to be the official site, but it could have been another amazing LF site.

  Thats not how things went, they denied us access, they denied us support, they denied as everything. Instead they wanted to shut us down and hand over the domain.

  And thats why I have a problem with the official IT department. They’re just typical Lebanese who are not the right people for the job but knew the right people to get the job. I am not bitter, I don’t hold a grudge but its sad and frustrating to see the amount of potential their site has and the fact that with LF.com I could have done so much more if I just had some support from them, instead I had to get an email from them asking them to shutdown all my sites and hand over the domains.

  So if L-F.org has official on their site or not, is that really a problem? Is that really important? Would it change anything? No it won’t.

  (sorry if there are grammatical mistakes but I am lying sick in bed and am too tired to reread what I just wrote)

• 10. Cyprus | May 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pm

  N10452,

  you speaking like Aounist. Zo3ran is used by them to show LF in a bad image, and you are doing the same.
  I really admire and respect what you have done the whole years when Hakim was in prison, but this is not a reason to be acting as you are doing now…..

  No one is allowed to have his LF as he wants…. there is only one LF now under Hakim’s leadership… instead of wasting your time by saying “Zo3ran”, i would suggest to make contacts inside LF and try to change the leadership in the coming new election inside the hezeb.

  I please you to remember yourself as LFer and get out of the Aounist games.

• 11. N10452 | May 2nd, 2008 at 9:26 pm

  Cyprus,
  The LF does not belong to anyone .. and am allowed to critisize whomever i want ..

  As for naming them zo3ran, anyone who hacks a site and backstabs his own comrad az3ar wou mejwe …and until they apologize this is what they are …

  Just put urself in this situaton and tell me what you would think of such a person ..

  Toz bil aouniyye ma tjeble seerettoun hone … bass yikouno el zo3ran hinne in charge wou fehmak kfeye ..

• 12. Cyprus | May 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pm

  N01452,

  1st, you are keep saying that .com guys have hacked the .org, and until this minute you haven’t showed any proove for us of what you are saying.

  2nd, .com guys can say that you are zo3ran too because you haven’t replied to their calls when they asked you that they want to have only 1 official website for LF and you have refused (i remember that you post about this matter before showing an email from them). So Hijacking and personating is a way of Za3raneh also with all my respects of what you have done by all past 10 years.

  Finally, instead of showing bad LF picture through the net, it was a million time better to go directly to LF responsible and discuss this matters as comrades and not as ZO3RAN.

• 13. N10452 | May 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 pm

  Cyprus,
  I ll glady send u a print screen if u want it .. i am not tayyar.org to make up such a story ..

  2nd, there is a post on the way they dealt with us and how we responded .. search for it and u be the judge urself ..

  Third, the responsibles were addressed tons of times, but instead of reading the papers and letters and memos sent, massa7o fiya teezoun .. and am talking on a high level here, even the highest ..

  Hope that clarified the image for you ..

• 14. cedars | May 2nd, 2008 at 11:50 pm

  Maybe lebanonjon and others should read very well what I wrote. It seems they either do not understand what they read or do not read at all.

  Let me reply to this once for all. I wrote:

  ولقد أزعجهم، كما نخمّن، والله أعلم، كيف أننا وبعد مضي ثلاث سنوات على إنشاء موقعهم، لا يزال موقعنا، موقع القوات اللبنانية منذ العام 1997،

  I didn’t say official and didn’t say only site out there.

  The Official on the site will stay until Samir Geagea decides to solve other issues in a civilized way. The issue is not the official or not official on the site. the official title is a very minor thing that will be solved right away when other major issues are ready to be discussed in a civilized way. The message been passed several times to those who are concerned about the issue.

• 15. sniper | May 3rd, 2008 at 12:15 am

  “N”, Say what you may. I don’t know you, I’ve never met you, I’m judging you from your actions, from the damage I estimate comes from your own words. What do you expect my position to be when you’re being divisive. I may have been harsh with you but you responded accordingly otherwise I would have been apologetic. You got on my case very quickly.
  This time around you’re threatening to ban me from the site. May I ask for what reason ? Remember you are in a position of power and at the slightest sign of disobedience, as I question your own credibility, you are threatening me with disciplinary actions. I come here because I care and if that means criticizing you I’m going to do it. This might be my last posting here so PEACE.

• 16. Issa | May 4th, 2008 at 4:08 am

  It is disappointing that we see LFers calling other LFers as “thugs” or “criminals” or “Geagea bootlickers.” Maybe those who are saying this do enjoy throwing such comments, but may they keep those comments to themselves because nobody, who has a conscience or devotion to the LF cause, embraces them.

  Dr. Samir Geagea have sacrificed a lot for our cause, most importantly being jailed in an underground solitary confinement for 11 years, without changing political sides or ideologies. He went into jail as a military resistant, and came out as a philosopher and civilized resistant, using the free word as a weapon rather than guns and bullets, rockets, tanks, and akin to the latter.

  I expect to be called a “Geagea bootlicker,” but what can I do? Little are those who even use such terms and claim themselves as LFers.

  One thing people must understand is that the Lebanese Forces is not a farm, it is a well-organized political party with a vision for the future, with its president, vice president, and other officials. If we respect our party leader and other officials in the party, that does not mean we are worshiping them as gods.

  We all have different opinions, we all disagree with Dr. Geagea at times; I am one of you, I do disagree with Dr. Geagea at times. That does not make me betray him, nor betray what he represents in my political party, nor betray the LF cause. We’re a democratic party with a vision for the future and a well-known cause which is Lebanon and the Lebanese Christians. Everybody is free to criticize Dr. Geagea, but there are limits. Once you start disrespecting your officials… I’ll leave it for you to conclude what kind of action this is called.

  Issa

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