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		<title>By: Issa</title>
		<link>http://www.ouwet.com/lebanonjon/other/official-or-unofficial/comment-page-1/#comment-341033</link>
		<dc:creator>Issa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is disappointing that we see LFers calling other LFers as "thugs" or "criminals" or "Geagea bootlickers." Maybe those who are saying this do enjoy throwing such comments, but may they keep those comments to themselves because nobody, who has a conscience or devotion to the LF cause, embraces them.

Dr. Samir Geagea have sacrificed a lot for our cause, most importantly being jailed in an underground solitary confinement for 11 years, without changing political sides or ideologies. He went into jail as a military resistant, and came out as a philosopher and civilized resistant, using the free word as a weapon rather than guns and bullets, rockets, tanks, and akin to the latter.

I expect to be called a "Geagea bootlicker," but what can I do? Little are those who even use such terms and claim themselves as LFers.

One thing people must understand is that the Lebanese Forces is not a farm, it is a well-organized political party with a vision for the future, with its president, vice president, and other officials. If we respect our party leader and other officials in the party, that does not mean we are worshiping them as gods.

We all have different opinions, we all disagree with Dr. Geagea at times; I am one of you, I do disagree with Dr. Geagea at times. That does not make me betray him, nor betray what he represents in my political party, nor betray the LF cause. We're a democratic party with a vision for the future and a well-known cause which is Lebanon and the Lebanese Christians. Everybody is free to criticize Dr. Geagea, but there are limits. Once you start disrespecting your officials... I'll leave it for you to conclude what kind of action this is called.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is disappointing that we see LFers calling other LFers as &#8220;thugs&#8221; or &#8220;criminals&#8221; or &#8220;Geagea bootlickers.&#8221; Maybe those who are saying this do enjoy throwing such comments, but may they keep those comments to themselves because nobody, who has a conscience or devotion to the LF cause, embraces them.</p>
<p>Dr. Samir Geagea have sacrificed a lot for our cause, most importantly being jailed in an underground solitary confinement for 11 years, without changing political sides or ideologies. He went into jail as a military resistant, and came out as a philosopher and civilized resistant, using the free word as a weapon rather than guns and bullets, rockets, tanks, and akin to the latter.</p>
<p>I expect to be called a &#8220;Geagea bootlicker,&#8221; but what can I do? Little are those who even use such terms and claim themselves as LFers.</p>
<p>One thing people must understand is that the Lebanese Forces is not a farm, it is a well-organized political party with a vision for the future, with its president, vice president, and other officials. If we respect our party leader and other officials in the party, that does not mean we are worshiping them as gods.</p>
<p>We all have different opinions, we all disagree with Dr. Geagea at times; I am one of you, I do disagree with Dr. Geagea at times. That does not make me betray him, nor betray what he represents in my political party, nor betray the LF cause. We&#8217;re a democratic party with a vision for the future and a well-known cause which is Lebanon and the Lebanese Christians. Everybody is free to criticize Dr. Geagea, but there are limits. Once you start disrespecting your officials&#8230; I&#8217;ll leave it for you to conclude what kind of action this is called.</p>
<p>Issa</p>
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		<title>By: sniper</title>
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		<dc:creator>sniper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"N",  Say what you may. I don't know you, I've never met you, I'm judging you from your actions, from the damage I estimate comes from your own words.  What do you expect my position to be when you're being divisive.  I may have been harsh with you but you responded accordingly otherwise I would have been apologetic.  You got on my case very quickly.
This time around you're threatening to ban me from the site. May I ask for what reason ? Remember you are in a position of power and at the slightest sign of disobedience, as I question your own credibility, you are threatening me with disciplinary actions.  I come here because I care and if that means criticizing you I'm going to do it. This might be my last posting here so PEACE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;N&#8221;,  Say what you may. I don&#8217;t know you, I&#8217;ve never met you, I&#8217;m judging you from your actions, from the damage I estimate comes from your own words.  What do you expect my position to be when you&#8217;re being divisive.  I may have been harsh with you but you responded accordingly otherwise I would have been apologetic.  You got on my case very quickly.<br />
This time around you&#8217;re threatening to ban me from the site. May I ask for what reason ? Remember you are in a position of power and at the slightest sign of disobedience, as I question your own credibility, you are threatening me with disciplinary actions.  I come here because I care and if that means criticizing you I&#8217;m going to do it. This might be my last posting here so PEACE.</p>
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		<title>By: cedars</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe lebanonjon and others should read very well what I wrote. It seems they either do not understand what they read or do not read at all.

Let me reply to this once for all. I wrote:

ولقد أزعجهم، كما نخمّن، والله أعلم، كيف أننا وبعد مضي ثلاث سنوات على إنشاء موقعهم، لا يزال موقعنا، موقع القوات اللبنانية منذ العام 1997،

I didn't say official and didn't say only site out there.

The Official on the site will stay until Samir Geagea decides to solve other issues in a civilized way. The issue is not the official or not official on the site. the official title is a very minor thing that will be solved right away when other major issues are ready to be discussed in a civilized way. The message been passed several times to those who are concerned about the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe lebanonjon and others should read very well what I wrote. It seems they either do not understand what they read or do not read at all.</p>
<p>Let me reply to this once for all. I wrote:</p>
<p>ولقد أزعجهم، كما نخمّن، والله أعلم، كيف أننا وبعد مضي ثلاث سنوات على إنشاء موقعهم، لا يزال موقعنا، موقع القوات اللبنانية منذ العام 1997،</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say official and didn&#8217;t say only site out there.</p>
<p>The Official on the site will stay until Samir Geagea decides to solve other issues in a civilized way. The issue is not the official or not official on the site. the official title is a very minor thing that will be solved right away when other major issues are ready to be discussed in a civilized way. The message been passed several times to those who are concerned about the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: N10452</title>
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		<dc:creator>N10452</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyprus,
I ll glady send u a print screen if u want it .. i am not tayyar.org to make up such a story ..

2nd, there is a post on the way they dealt with us and how we responded .. search for it and u be the judge urself ..

Third, the responsibles were addressed tons of times, but instead of reading the papers and letters and memos sent, massa7o fiya teezoun .. and am talking on a high level here, even the highest .. 

Hope that clarified the image for you ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyprus,<br />
I ll glady send u a print screen if u want it .. i am not tayyar.org to make up such a story ..</p>
<p>2nd, there is a post on the way they dealt with us and how we responded .. search for it and u be the judge urself ..</p>
<p>Third, the responsibles were addressed tons of times, but instead of reading the papers and letters and memos sent, massa7o fiya teezoun .. and am talking on a high level here, even the highest .. </p>
<p>Hope that clarified the image for you ..</p>
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		<title>By: Cyprus</title>
		<link>http://www.ouwet.com/lebanonjon/other/official-or-unofficial/comment-page-1/#comment-339428</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyprus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N01452,

1st, you are keep saying that .com guys have hacked the .org, and until this minute you haven't showed any proove for us of what you are saying. 

2nd, .com guys can say that you are zo3ran too because you haven't replied to their calls when they asked you that they want to have only 1 official website for LF and you have refused (i remember that you post about this matter before showing an email from them). So Hijacking and personating is a way of Za3raneh also with all my respects of what you have done by all past 10 years.

Finally, instead of showing bad LF picture through the net, it was a million time better to go directly to LF responsible and discuss this matters as comrades and not as ZO3RAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N01452,</p>
<p>1st, you are keep saying that .com guys have hacked the .org, and until this minute you haven&#8217;t showed any proove for us of what you are saying. </p>
<p>2nd, .com guys can say that you are zo3ran too because you haven&#8217;t replied to their calls when they asked you that they want to have only 1 official website for LF and you have refused (i remember that you post about this matter before showing an email from them). So Hijacking and personating is a way of Za3raneh also with all my respects of what you have done by all past 10 years.</p>
<p>Finally, instead of showing bad LF picture through the net, it was a million time better to go directly to LF responsible and discuss this matters as comrades and not as ZO3RAN.</p>
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		<title>By: N10452</title>
		<link>http://www.ouwet.com/lebanonjon/other/official-or-unofficial/comment-page-1/#comment-339345</link>
		<dc:creator>N10452</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyprus,
The LF does not belong to anyone .. and am allowed to critisize whomever i want .. 

As for naming them zo3ran, anyone who hacks a site and backstabs his own comrad az3ar wou mejwe ...and until they apologize this is what they are ...

Just put urself in this situaton and tell me what you would think of such a person ..

Toz bil aouniyye ma tjeble seerettoun hone ...  bass yikouno el zo3ran hinne in charge wou fehmak kfeye ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyprus,<br />
The LF does not belong to anyone .. and am allowed to critisize whomever i want .. </p>
<p>As for naming them zo3ran, anyone who hacks a site and backstabs his own comrad az3ar wou mejwe &#8230;and until they apologize this is what they are &#8230;</p>
<p>Just put urself in this situaton and tell me what you would think of such a person ..</p>
<p>Toz bil aouniyye ma tjeble seerettoun hone &#8230;  bass yikouno el zo3ran hinne in charge wou fehmak kfeye ..</p>
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		<title>By: Cyprus</title>
		<link>http://www.ouwet.com/lebanonjon/other/official-or-unofficial/comment-page-1/#comment-339331</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyprus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N10452,

you speaking like Aounist. Zo3ran is used by them to show LF in a bad image, and you are doing the same.
I really admire and respect what you have done the whole years when Hakim was in prison, but this is not a reason to be acting as you are doing now.....

No one is allowed to have his LF as he wants.... there is only one LF now under Hakim's leadership... instead of wasting your time by saying "Zo3ran", i would suggest to make contacts inside LF and try to change the leadership in the coming new election inside the hezeb.

I please you to remember yourself as LFer and get out of the Aounist games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N10452,</p>
<p>you speaking like Aounist. Zo3ran is used by them to show LF in a bad image, and you are doing the same.<br />
I really admire and respect what you have done the whole years when Hakim was in prison, but this is not a reason to be acting as you are doing now&#8230;..</p>
<p>No one is allowed to have his LF as he wants&#8230;. there is only one LF now under Hakim&#8217;s leadership&#8230; instead of wasting your time by saying &#8220;Zo3ran&#8221;, i would suggest to make contacts inside LF and try to change the leadership in the coming new election inside the hezeb.</p>
<p>I please you to remember yourself as LFer and get out of the Aounist games.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do find the official/unofficial thing a bit petty but really its not the main issue i have with the whole thing. There is a bigger picture here and thats the lack of professionalism with the people who run the official website.

The people behind the site need to be visionaries and on the leading edge of all that is Internet, the current official official site team are not.

I honestly don't believe the IT department even know what the Internet really is and the potential of it. All I think they see is tayyar.org and how tayyar.org is successful and how they want to be like them. Thats as far as their vision goes.

The fact that I and other sites were "ordered" to shutdown because the LF believes that there should be only 1 LF site on the Internet shows the lack of maturity they have. I am not talking about the fact they want to have just 1 official site, I am talking about the fact they want 1 LF site period, this blog is at the moment run against their wishes. According to them having multiple LF sites is a bad thing and that just goes to show the lack of understanding they have.

Now I am not boasting or anything but if people still remember LebaneseForces.com and how we led in many ways you would see that if LF.com for example had some kind of support back then it would have been even better but even with the lack of official support and even when sometimes RA (who was somewhat of the sites official photographer back then) was banned from LF events we still managed to do our job. Now imagine if that site continued on till today with 100% support from the PR department of the LF and if we were given access to whatever we needed, imagine how great a site it would have been. It didn't have to be the official site, but it could have been another amazing LF site.

Thats not how things went, they denied us access, they denied us support, they denied as everything. Instead they wanted to shut us down and hand over the domain.

And thats why I have a problem with the official IT department. They're just typical Lebanese who are not the right people for the job but knew the right people to get the job. I am not bitter, I don't hold a grudge but its sad and frustrating to see the amount of potential their site has and the fact that with LF.com I could have done so much more if I just had some support from them, instead I had to get an email from them asking them to shutdown all my sites and hand over the domains.

So if L-F.org has official on their site or not, is that really a problem? Is that really important? Would it change anything? No it won't.

(sorry if there are grammatical mistakes but I am lying sick in bed and am too tired to reread what I just wrote)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do find the official/unofficial thing a bit petty but really its not the main issue i have with the whole thing. There is a bigger picture here and thats the lack of professionalism with the people who run the official website.</p>
<p>The people behind the site need to be visionaries and on the leading edge of all that is Internet, the current official official site team are not.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t believe the IT department even know what the Internet really is and the potential of it. All I think they see is tayyar.org and how tayyar.org is successful and how they want to be like them. Thats as far as their vision goes.</p>
<p>The fact that I and other sites were &#8220;ordered&#8221; to shutdown because the LF believes that there should be only 1 LF site on the Internet shows the lack of maturity they have. I am not talking about the fact they want to have just 1 official site, I am talking about the fact they want 1 LF site period, this blog is at the moment run against their wishes. According to them having multiple LF sites is a bad thing and that just goes to show the lack of understanding they have.</p>
<p>Now I am not boasting or anything but if people still remember LebaneseForces.com and how we led in many ways you would see that if LF.com for example had some kind of support back then it would have been even better but even with the lack of official support and even when sometimes RA (who was somewhat of the sites official photographer back then) was banned from LF events we still managed to do our job. Now imagine if that site continued on till today with 100% support from the PR department of the LF and if we were given access to whatever we needed, imagine how great a site it would have been. It didn&#8217;t have to be the official site, but it could have been another amazing LF site.</p>
<p>Thats not how things went, they denied us access, they denied us support, they denied as everything. Instead they wanted to shut us down and hand over the domain.</p>
<p>And thats why I have a problem with the official IT department. They&#8217;re just typical Lebanese who are not the right people for the job but knew the right people to get the job. I am not bitter, I don&#8217;t hold a grudge but its sad and frustrating to see the amount of potential their site has and the fact that with LF.com I could have done so much more if I just had some support from them, instead I had to get an email from them asking them to shutdown all my sites and hand over the domains.</p>
<p>So if L-F.org has official on their site or not, is that really a problem? Is that really important? Would it change anything? No it won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>(sorry if there are grammatical mistakes but I am lying sick in bed and am too tired to reread what I just wrote)</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wlak chou hal zebbel enta ya Sniper!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wlak chou hal zebbel enta ya Sniper!</p>
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		<title>By: N10452</title>
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		<dc:creator>N10452</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sniper,
I thank u for ur compliment .. fortunatelly for you you are free to say ur opinion here ..  you can actually doubt and question posts and ideas ... something missing in the LF sadly ..

Eveybody wants $$$$ ??

Barke my sponsors r pying for that blog eh ??? wlik tfeh bass tfeh ...

Wou iza mich 3ejbak el blog, i can kick u out .. cause u will never be able to shut it down .. neither u nor as7abak el hackers .. or should i say el zo3ran since apparently we r up to that reputation now ma3 hal 7araket .. they werent wrong after all .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sniper,<br />
I thank u for ur compliment .. fortunatelly for you you are free to say ur opinion here ..  you can actually doubt and question posts and ideas &#8230; something missing in the LF sadly ..</p>
<p>Eveybody wants $$$$ ??</p>
<p>Barke my sponsors r pying for that blog eh ??? wlik tfeh bass tfeh &#8230;</p>
<p>Wou iza mich 3ejbak el blog, i can kick u out .. cause u will never be able to shut it down .. neither u nor as7abak el hackers .. or should i say el zo3ran since apparently we r up to that reputation now ma3 hal 7araket .. they werent wrong after all .</p>
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