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• 1. paul | October 12th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

  Kezballah,i think they mean with 13 octobre 1990the day where HA attacked the people in hadath and ain rimeneh and galerie sim3an

• 2. nevermind | October 12th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

  I THINK THE PURPOSE TO LEARN HOW THEY DID THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION IN IRAN :d

• 3. N10452 | October 12th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

  Toustakmal bil sawoura el Iraniyye el islamiyya in 2008 ….

  chou bek kezballah

  wa7da !

• 4. omar | October 12th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

  mich ma32oul 2iddach fi nas mhabil 3andna…

  thank you kezballah for saying the TRUTH

• 5. Che | October 12th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

  To sum it up: remove the “noon” from watanie, put a dot on “7″ and “Alef” after the “re.”

  Now repeat after me: Al Tayyar Al Wati Al (expletive).

  Excuse my fucking profanity!

• 6. fad14 | October 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

  I love the Pijama part, it was early winter so he might have used the one with the santa clause hat.

• 7. ja3far | October 12th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

  it seems you were not born yet in 1990 Kazeb …
  great leaders know when it is time to fight and when it is time to save lives…

  when Hitler gave order to the german 5th army to fight till the end in stalingrade he was stupid… when sadam didnt pull the iraqui army from Kuwait in the 90s he was stupid…

  when oun saw that all the world , fighting sadam at that time, decided to end him he was clever and brave to accept the french terms and guarantees and saved the life of thousands of people… How many time did the syrian sokhoi fighters had green light to bombard in lebanon previously?

  another thing… the arabs have a great history in talking and making speaches while achieving little of what they said…lot of the speaches made by 14 march were just blablablablabla

  oun was clever to see that the combination that joined him to make the 14 of march rally were guiding lebanon to anything but real leberation…any one who think that lebanon can take a side with east or west and survive is STUPID.. or havent read anything from our history … simple…

  whether your vision can see it or not… the 8 of march rally put lebanon back in the middle .. same as the present united goverment did ..

  finally, when the americans will make agreements with taliban lot of you people will adore taliban and wish to visit afganistan

  salam

• 8. Fadi | October 12th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

  I like the part bil lahjeh el souryieh kirmil yefhamou lolllllllll

• 9. paul | October 12th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

  it is better if we bury the past and start from new.

  12 octobre 2008.

• 10. Ra'fat | October 12th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

  Ja3far,
  First there is no intelligence or cleverness in surrender, just as there is no intelligence in ignoring facts. A true clever leader does not enter a war he can not win, period. With that said you can say all Lebanese leaders are idiots except for Bach, who actually won.
  Second, the notion that because alliances change one should not ally himself with anyone is idiotic. The intelligent part is in picking the allies that most benefit your country at your least cost from an economic standpoint. Let’s examine the benefits of allying with Iran and Syria vs allying with the western word. Any educated man can clearly see that Iran and Syria will use us a lot more than the western world.
  Third, I said it before and will say it again, all members of the FPM are there because they have been alienated or treated badly by the ouwet at some point. Without us, they have no reason to exist. There is no argument in our goals, the argument between us is completely personal and not political hence extremely hard to resolve.
  Lastly, some members of March 8 clearly are following orders from outside Lebanon to the letter with no opinion of their own. Hence they are in no position to accuse M14 of doing that.
  So with all being equal, all leaders are idiots and both sides are following the will of outside countries, I would rather be allied with countries that we can learn something from and that will use us less.

• 11. Cartman | October 12th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

  Wlo…
  Didn’t michel oun spend years and years in exile working from Paris to the senate floor in Washington to the Untied Nations to get rid of the Syrians, 3eib w 3an jad betkoon bala wafa when u stay stuff like, RUN IN HIS PIJAMA!!!!!!!!!, the man was the head of the Lebanese army, he fought them all he could, but he could do soo much at the time, and worked against their presence from out side, and with the help of other circumstances, the Syrians left Lebanon for good….walla la2?
  W hala2 sho el matloob?? Be the Syrians enemy for ever?…, people move on, every body moves on, the war was dirty…tell me about a family that didn’t lose somebody or a house or a business. The Americans lost people in lebanon, the French lost people in Lebanon and so did many others. Normal unbiased people forgive, forget and move on. but people like your self don’t have the brain capacity to evolve and think beyond their nose.
  At some point the Syrians fought hezballah, and at another point they fought jombalt lama ken tale3 yet7an elmasi7iyeh bel jabal…so all Lebanese are against the Syrian presence in Lebanon.
  But any clear headed son of a gun, knows that without the Syrians and the weapon smuggling to south Lebanon you would have never ever gotten your land back the 10452.
  And grown up men, knows that in the real world you have to take and give, and nasrallah thanks to the Syrians is nothing compared to giving back to Lebanon YOUR COUNTRY and to tens of thousands of southerners(Muslims and Christians) their houses and their land back.

  Back to oun…you hate the man for 2 reasons,
  1) He fought the LF,
  he did and he was going to fight and bring down all the other militias for the sake of a unified country. But all your little brains could remember is that he just fought the LF.
  2) he allied himself with hezb…and hezb are muslims and shi’a and you are a bunch of racists so you hate oun. Simple.
  I say that because it’s the only explanation to your hate.I know that you know that Christians and shia’a are minorities in todays crazy arab world, and targeted and u should know that this kind of alliance would at least strengthen the position and chances of existence of both sects at the very least,
  Thanks God that people who still think like you are very few…

• 12. kezballah | October 12th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

  Cartman I think you are hanging out too much with Aounis

  Before the Geopolitics analysis about minorities and lobby of the Congress and before the analysis of our personality to say we are racist can you please keep it simple a little bit? Ya khayyi I did not put a sign in Da7ie that LF liberated the South from Israel it is Tayyar Aoun that did it to us, this sign upset me because they are saying they started the liberation of Lebanon like there is nothing before them, like they are the fathers of liberation, wlik ya khayyi shou hal BLASPHEMY hayy??? We have thousands of martyrs before anyone hear the name Aoun!!! How they dare to put this sign in our streets and insult all our sacrifices??? This is stealing and adding insult to the injury!!! People who let others steal their history don’t deserve to have a history ya Cartman.

  You examined our brain and said we hate Aoun because we are racist and he fought the LF, khayye if he don’t accuse us of mass gaves and steal our resistance and insult our leaders we will not mention his stupid name except in political critique, but don’t blame me if I am RED with ANGER when I see this stupid sign in Baabda… FYI When Aoun fought Syria the LF helped him and fought with him, the others like PSP and Amal and Hezbollah they fought with Syria, so when Aoun he want to end militias he start with the LF?? Where is the logic of those stories the Aounis tell you ya Cartman??

  And if you think Aoun freed us from the Syrians then I think you are drinking too many beers with the Aounis…

• 13. kezballah | October 12th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

  Ja3far what did I say that make you think I was not born in 1990? I was born but I was almost killed in one million pieces by Aoun the patriotic in Achrafie (Note: I am a Lebanese citizen not a Israeli or Syrian soldier!)

  I think Ra2fat answered you a very well thought reply, I will only add one thing I don’t care who make alliance with who I will never accept my leader to visit the Taliban or the Wahhabi or the Ayatoullahi because they are all the same trash. Aounallah is going there for money for his TV and Radio and for little Gibran Bassil to make his villas in Batroun and Rabieh it is clear and it is a shame!!

• 14. ja3far | October 12th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

  ra’fat… kissenger once said when there is tension with the soviets it is better to fight them and reduce the tension in afganistan or vietnam loosing hundreds of thousands then fighting directly and loosing millions…

  habibi you are too small to be seen by big countries like USA … u are used by them.. to put pressure on syria for example.. dont think you are seen by them as a real ally …

  oun learned this lesso… he lived all his life fighting in the lebanese wars… when he saw the circumstances have changed.. he was too clever not to go into a suicidal war…any military leader in his shoes would have lost this war.. would u have been happy if he ended the same way it ended in iraque?

  if you are really educated , as you said, you know that it will be a suicide to stand with the west against the east… history will tell you that things will change … and this east will consider you as a traitor and will seek revenge…the clever thing to do is to use our difference in a way to be in the middle…some visit saudi, other france, some iran, others syria… why do we want the saudi messages to syria to be passed by lebanon? as long as we are friends with all of them we will benefit..
  i liked what amin al jumaiel said today ..

  salam

• 15. ja3far | October 12th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

  ra’fat… kisenger once said when there is tension with the soviets it is better to fight them and reduce the tension in afganistan or vietnam loosing hundreds of thousands then fighting directly and loosing millions…

  we are too small to be seen by big countries like USA … u are used by them.. to put pressure on syria for example.. dont think you are seen by them as a real ally …

  Aoun learned this lesson… he lived all his life fighting in the lebanese wars… when he saw the circumstances have changed.. he was too clever not to go into a suicidal war…any military leader in his shoes would have lost this war.. would u have been happy if he ended the same way it ended in iraque?

  if you are really educated , as you said, you know that it will be a suicide to stand with the west against the east… history will tell you that things will change … and this east will consider you as a traitor and will seek revenge…the clever thing to do is to use our difference in a way to be in the middle…some visit saudi, other france, some iran, others syria… why do we want the saudi messages to syria to be passed by lebanon? as long as we are friends with all of them we will benefit..
  i liked what amin al jumaiel said today ..

  salam

• 16. kezballah | October 12th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

  I solved the puzzle about the FPM sign, this is from Wikipedia about the Iranian Revolution: “Although some might argue that the revolution is still ongoing……”

  So I think the sign is a innocent mistake, the Tayyar B3abda maybe meant to say Iranian Revolution is not complete yet, not the Cedar Revolution

  you were right N paul and nevermind.

• 17. THERESINIA | October 12th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

  The General of Rabiyeh is a mentally ill person. You need to know him personally. He is a MEGALOMANIAC and take anti depressives since 1987. He has been treated at Deir El Saleeb by two reknown psychiatrists: Dr Manoukian and Dr Al Ramy.

  When he talks about the christians he doesn’t talk anymore about the 50% he think he has in Lebanon but about ALL the Christians in the EAST !!!! And you still think he is not MAD ????

  He is MAD w NOS…

  I wish him a LONG trip to IRAN: RAW7A BALA RAJ3A… and may be they can make “good” use of him: he and Ahmadinajad can inaugurate a new ASYLUM…

• 18. rima | October 13th, 2008 at 12:33 am

  the revolution will end up when every living being in Lebanon starts saying “la ILaha illa Hassouna Aounalla rassoulou el lah”…Istaghfaralla!

• 19. JD DC | October 13th, 2008 at 12:55 am

  2alla ye7me’ chabel el Blog

• 20. Cartman | October 13th, 2008 at 1:10 am

  well, the iranian revolution accomplished it’s mission…it got rid of the traitor..the shah regime and restored the nations resources to the people…and iran is a major world power today…you like it or not.

  speaking of which…
  it’s very interesting how personally insecure alot of u are, and to be fair you are not alone, there are alot more like you out there, in Jordan, in the gulf area, in mexico and south america full of your kind…have no self esteem what so ever, and very insecure and what i mean by that is that you feel inferior to white man in general and to american cowboys running washington in particular, and that you feel you are second class citizens in this world and this is why for example you talk sh*t a about ahmedinjad. even though the man probably never did any thing to you or efected your life in any way..but bush said he is bad then he is bad, and if the american say’s the sun rise from the west then the sun rise from the west, and if hezb is terrorist then you call them terrorists
  i am not siding with anybody on this one…just being logic and objective.

• 21. elie | October 13th, 2008 at 2:22 am

  Cartman…your #17 is the most idiotic post i’ve ever read….have you ever watched a hizballah demonstration or a khoumeini …or mouktada sader speech?….they are all the same ..same
  dresses…same hands moves ….same reflections…same ” almout liamreka”..are you so idiot and stupid not to see all that?..and you say that there is a lot of us in jordan the gulf and south america….and you call us that we feel inferior to white man…so in your view those idiots in black shouting almout liamrika…..are superior to white man?…..are you high or something?…..ahbal sa7i7.

• 22. Cartman | October 13th, 2008 at 3:15 am

  elie, take it easy man and don’t take it too personal unless you are one of them that buys into the propaganda without thinking.
  do me and yourself a favor and go back and read some of the posts on this blog,
  there are 2 opposing sides debating issues here let’s call one side 8 and the other side 14.

  8 always expresses opinions and never insulted the patriarch, the church, the Vatican, dar el fatwa or any other religious institution or individual.
  14 on the other hand, you talk to them about oun…they insult khomaini, bitne2esh mozahara bil balad bejebolak seret iranian revolution w byetrezalo 3ala khamena2i, and in your own post you brought up sader and khomeini wlak khomeini died 3 decades ago leave him alone.!!!!!!!
  and it sounds like you are not very happy about the way they dress, eno ya khayi they are not civilized enough enno lek hool ba3don byelbso 3abeyeh sawda!!!
  enoo heik bekoon el debate ya shabeb msa2af!! tfeh.

• 23. rima | October 13th, 2008 at 4:08 am

  Cartman

  If you don’t mind i have just one simple question for you:
  If you have only two countries in the world in which you can live USA and Iran which one would you choose and why?

  Cheers

• 24. Ra'fat | October 13th, 2008 at 4:36 am

  Ja3far, the only thing history teaches you is that they who win chose to write it. As far as the notion of east vs west etc… what history are you referring to? Israel is doing pretty good, Egypt, Saudi, and ALL OTHER countries except for Syria and Iran are allied with the West. So by allying with the West you are actually allying with the majority of the EAST. So it would be nice to see how you came to the conclusion that Syria and Iran represent the EAST now or do we just like to pick and chose? Plus I said I would like to ally myself to someone I can learn something from and please enlighten me as to what we can learn from Iran and Syria. And by the way, Iran and Syria will never see us as a real ally either, please in your next reply don’t try to explain the point you are trying to make with itself. An example would be: “we don’t want the message from Saudi to pass through Lebanon, the equivalent of we dont want the message from Iran to pass through lebanon. Which really does not explain anything.
  Hence please look for independent points when making an argument.

  Salam

• 25. Ra'fat | October 13th, 2008 at 4:40 am

  Cartman, just to clarify we hate Aoun for only 1 reason only:HE IS AN IDIOT. By the way I would rather you not use Cartman as your alias, as he is way smarter than the arguments you make. I will not even grant you with a reply, you lost me in”W hala2 sho el matloob?? Be the Syrians enemy for ever?…, people move on, every body moves on, the war was dirty…” But the Orangists go digging graves and bring people from the war era talking about how bad el ouwet was. Please try to be intelligent when you speak.

• 26. Rodge | October 13th, 2008 at 6:06 am

  Kezballah,

  Great post full of truth and facts.
  Except I don’t think he run in the Pijama, he was well prepared in advance, but took care of himself only, since he doesn’t see any one else in this world except him.

• 27. Doc 1559 | October 13th, 2008 at 6:10 am

  Well, it’s time to come back ! I know you guys lost it on all levels but bitdalu wled al balad ekhir al nhar. khayra bi ghayra chabeb.

  Anyway, ya kezballah , what should they ask nasralah about? What nasralah has to do with oct 13? Remember ya kezba , SHN came to power after the death of abbas al musawi and it was abbas al musawi who allowed food and supplies in and out of da7ye to the lebanese army on the other side of the district (mar mkheyil all the way up to ba3bda) while your LF militia at that time was targeting our brave lebanese troops , I can go through details if you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? Should I?

  Second, it is not fair to compare GMA’s history to bashirs!! One is lebanese patriotic liberal leader (gma) when the other was a radical christian who was looking to have a christian state (federaliyeh) but end up killing both christians and muslims (i.e sabet al asswad, toni franjiyeh, killed armanians in the street for the sake of power)..

  Third, GMA is the real cedar revolution and the 14th of march al ASSLEH (original), you have to room to talk there, you dont belong there , ya lubnan is not ukraine and will never be and with russian warning israel and any other nation that might be considering military attacks against Iran, one must wonder where will you stand in this political political calculus?? I guess you’ll end up like your fellow Iraqi chaldean BROTHERS! thx for george bush !!

  Forth , ya GMA is visting Iran and I love it baby It is unreasonable to ask the world to become part of your propaganda machine agaisnt Iran’s nuclear program when Isreal is beleived to have had nuclear weapons for several years. No one is asking the zionist state to get rid of its nuclear weapon, so why is it ok to campaign agaisnt Iran’s??? I am surely not worried about GMA’s visit to Iran bcoz real men(GMA and ayatoullah) dont fear their enemy Israel and will fight till the end (i.e the july war). I am more concerned about Israeli next war on lebanon ! Lebanon will battle for the right to live. Israel will destroy lebanon with the support of ppl like you kezba and the blessing of the western world, but we7yetak 3la ghale, AL MUKAWAMA BAKIYA , BAKIYA, BAKIYA..

• 28. Michele | October 13th, 2008 at 7:31 am

  Ra’fat we Kezballah bitfesho el’ khele’!!!!

  I see that the Aounis n now the hezbies have really selective memories; they wish to remember whatever is suitable n convenient.

  Ya Ja3far ya sa7bé, i hate repeating myself but it seems for people like u maybe “el tekrar ra7 ye3alemkoun shi”:

  1)As Ra’fat well-said above, no intelligent military man would provoke a war if he isn’t well prepared to it.

  2) the “deserted” general said himself that he will be the last to surrender even if he had to fight with a kitchen knife.

  3) the “deserted” general run away without informing his men.

  4) the Deserted general left his wife n 3 daughters alone to save himself.

  5) he went to France where he enjoyed a nice stay in some great places, great social life n drinking refined wine n cognac (btw his daughter offered me a bottle of cognac from her dad’s collection that he brought back when he came back in 2005) lek sho hammo ken!!!

  He fought a miltia as he wanted only the Lebanese army on z Lebanese soil. Today he is allied to a terrorist militia n aknowleding their legitimate presence.

  Can u ya Cartman ya fat7a explain this???

  I can only say 1 thing to Aoun:

  Mabrook ur promotion; instead of taking directly ur orders from Nasrallah, u get to get them now straignt from ahmadinejad.

  PS: i hope he’ll bring back from Iran some good Beluga (caviar) so his daughter will give me some

• 29. Michele | October 13th, 2008 at 7:33 am

  One more thing’ i would like to say a prayer to all the martyrs who lost their lives for nothing in October 13, 1990; may they rest in peace!

• 30. rima | October 13th, 2008 at 7:53 am

  Michelle no they died fidda el cognac wil Caviar

• 31. kezballah | October 13th, 2008 at 7:54 am

  Cartman you are starting to remind me of Aoun himself with his split personality, you call us racist and insecure and low self esteem and then you ask us don’t take it personally, 7ilweh minnak

  Please try to watch the news yourself don’t take your news from what Aounis tell you, Ahmadinajad didn’t do anythng to us?? What do you call the war in 2006, you think this was a fight between Israel and Lebanon only?? You just said Iran is a major power so what do you think they do with this power sell Persian carpets only??

  So now the pro-March8 they never insult the Patriarch or the Mufti it is only the pro-March14 who do it, wlak how can it be when the leaders of March8 are the one who invent the insult on the Patriarch and the Mufti? Please you need to read the news yourself if you want to be “objective”, otherwise you will only be funny (but that is OK for me I like funny )

• 32. rima | October 13th, 2008 at 7:55 am

  The Lebanese war taught me one hard lesson that good people are the exception in life not the rule…

• 33. kezballah | October 13th, 2008 at 8:01 am

  Michelle I join with you my prayer for the brave Lebanese who died while Aoun was taking his time to negotiate his surrender and broadcast it on the radio instead of giving his orders directly through Army command, this is Aoun the great strategist who doesn’t ally with the West agaisnt the East, he only runs to the West embassy to hide in it, Allah yse3idna ou Allah yir7am yalli metou 3al fadeh!!

• 34. fad14 | October 13th, 2008 at 9:03 am

  Just a note to the lovely aoun supporters (note the lowercase A).

  aoun surrendered after the attack started and not before, so he was safety for himself first then he remembered the army long after they were butchered by the lovely Invaders (his new allies, Iran, Syria, Hizbulla and Amal)

  Those who died were mostly Christians, the same people he claims to represent.

  His Stubborn ass and refusal to give up power was a main cause of the Taef Accord which gave away “Christian Rights”

  He knew days in advance the attack was going to happen and he was sitting there till the last minute trying to save his ass and in disbelief that it will happen.

  His brave act led to the invasion of the Defense Ministry which holds all intelligence records from many years.

  His bravery got us to the destruction of the presidential palace.

  His “Liberation” War got us the “Destruction” of East Beirut

  Now he will cause the Destruction of Iran and Hizbulla.

  This guy has never allied with anyone who didn’t lose. He is a bad spell on his family, his army, his country and his sect, not to forget his poor daughter (look who she married “Baseelo”).

• 35. Michele | October 13th, 2008 at 9:42 am

  Fad 14, the right nickname to Baseel would be more imBaseel as imbecile

• 36. nevermind | October 13th, 2008 at 11:14 am

  Guys I am realy surprised!!!!
  I understand if pro-syrians and pro-iranians are backing Aoun, it is logical because they allways did…example, amal, hizballa,wi2am wahabists
  What I can’t understand, how people who were living in “shar2ieh” , who backed aoun because he was anti-syrian ( also logical) are now still backing him?!?!?!?!?!?
  Wlik what made the famous march 14?? it was the march 8 before that, when most of the people saw 1 million on the streets saying “thank you syria” !!!!!
  RAW7A BALA RAJ3A YA GENERAL, NCHALLA TIL7A2 EL KHOMAINI YA RABB…
  and please,PLEASE,don’t tell me this crap that in the past we fought syria because they were on our land and now they r not….LEICH SMALLA SYRIA GHAYARIT SIYESITA????? LEICH IZA BISI7ILLOUN MA BIYRJA3O???? OUW BYA3EMLO 7AWEJIZ OUW YISIR2O EL BISCUIT WIL CASSETTES MIN EL SIYARAT?????
  AS A CHRISTIAN WHO USED TO LIVE IN CHAR2IEH, AND WITNESSED ALL THE WARS, I WILL TELL U ONE THING , CALL ME RACIST OR WHATEVER U WANT, THE BIGGEST MISTAQUE WE HAVE DONE, IN 1982, DURING THE INVASION, WE DIDN’T GET ADVANTAGE OF IT…

• 37. Rodge | October 13th, 2008 at 11:34 am

  Nevermind,

  Lik Yeslam temmak.
  You spoke my mind

• 38. rima | October 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

  Michele
  #31
  lol wleik min wein bitjibi hal nahfeit Ya Michele

• 39. Ziad | October 13th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

  Rodge,
  It is a fact. He ran away in his red pajamas.

• 40. Michele | October 13th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

  lek ya Rima, whether i like it or not but those Oranges n supporters, inspire me a lot; i tend to become creative when i need to call them by their real names…

• 41. Rodge | October 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

  Ziad,

  Are you sure it was red not Orange??
  I was only sarcasting, i don’t care if he run away naked, the important he did and today he commemorated his brave soldiers with a ceremony in Iran.
  Hearing his statements in Tehran makes the person wonder if he is for real that guy.

  By the way, Fou2ad wrote a very good comment in a previous post 9Joerg Haider), if this is the same fou2ad we know, I should say he just earned my respect.

• 42. danny | October 13th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

  Guys,

  In the memory of the people who perished for nothing on October 13th…a moment of silence.

  i will not get into back and forth with stooges named sam, cartman or others…

  Please find the link from one of little village idiot’s (mr. orangebutt’s) staunchest supporters.

  Please read it carefully.

  http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5528

  May they RIP

• 43. THERESINIA | October 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

  OK, one minute of your time please. Let us NOT talk about what the general of Rabiyeh is doing (whether if it is great or treason), biut about the MAN HIMSELF:

  Everyone who has been near him or knew him well, acknowledges and recognizes that his MEGLOMANIAC and Mentally ILL. So my question is: can we follow such a man (like Hitler, Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Chavez, or other crazy leaders on this planet) knowing he needs psychiatric treatment ??????????

  Please answer : ONLY this question!

  If you don’t believe he is MENTALLY ILL, please ask those who know him personally.

• 44. THERESINIA | October 13th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

  He is “going to speak in the name of all the Christians of ORIENT”…
  He is not only taking the place of the Patriarch, but of the Cardinals, of the Vaticano and the Pope himself.
  And you say he is not MEGALOMANIAC,???

  MAJNUN w NOS !!!!!

• 45. THERESINIA | October 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

  W MAJNUN AKTAR is the one who follows blindly a MAJNUN….

• 46. ja3far | October 13th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

  Rafat.. I will try to be as short as possible.. if you want to go more into details in any point am ready…

  I do agree that history is wrote by winners but saying that this is the only thing to learn from history .. that is very shallow .. sorry ..

  Israelis are not doing pretty good; history do teach us that Israel is a foreign entity in our region… such an entity is doomed to be ended, through war or through demographical changes..

  they may be allied to some of the royalties and presidents in the east but they will never be loved by the people of those countries.. search the internet for poles in the east discussing the popularity of Bush,mobarak,olmert,Abdullah, Najad, and nassrallah .. if you really want to know the truth and not just argue, you will find what I mean..

  Now, in the big east, the sunnies are the majorities and every one else is considered by them to be minority… Unfortunately, they do accept and forgive some of the mistakes made by sunnies, but they don’t tolerate any “”mistake made by others… again, go through history and look what they did after each crusaders campaign, of what wali 3aka jamal bacha did after the defeat of Napoleon, lot of other examples.… the near history will show you people going from Jordan , and Saudi ( who are the biggest allies of the American ) to kill any shia or Christian they can get access to in iraque because these people think the shias and christians are traitors to accept the presence of the Americans… they don’t care that Americans were using bases in countries like Jordan , saudi, quatar… they don’t want to know …That is little of what history teach us

  now you want to go and take part with the west against the majority of the populations in the east you will pay high consequences in the future.. that is why Lebanon will be the last arab country to sign peace agreement with Israel .. if we ever sign…

  Regarding learning from the west and from the allies… I don’t think lot of the eastern countries have earned the respect of the west yet… these people will not give you because they love you… they are still using and abusing the underdeveloped countries and their resources in Africa and the middle east .. and I really hope you will be able to see that, one day…

  Now If you go through the internet and search for pictures of “youm al kudos”for example, you will see the pictures of nassrallah in the hand of the people parading in turki, andonesia, in malysia, in iran,in pakistan, in india, in Nigeria, in Palestine…if you go to Syria, you will see the pictures of nassrallah next to pictures of Bachar in lot of places.. actually he is the only leader you can see his pictures in public and governmental places there other the the assad family…actually bachar is using his alliance with HA to gain popularity among his people…HA flags are on lot of balconies in Syria.. when najad met nassrallah he have bent to kiss his hand in respect…
  habibi nassralah and HA have became the symbol to look up to by these countries…halae if you think iran and Syria treat HA and use HA the same way they and other countries have been treating Lebanese groups then you are blind.. and I am not god to make you see … it is your problem… but remember.. if you dont know , or dont like .. will not change facts

  finally, I didn’t understand what you mean by your last point? I think I was clear in my previous comments that we should combine our differences to stay in the middle, and not to get used by either side whether Syria or Saudi … so what u mean.. ?

  salam

• 47. Rodge | October 13th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

  Theresinia,

  U’re so right and the answer to ur question is NOOOOOOO, of course we cannot follow and we refuse to follow such a mad man.

• 48. Cartman | October 13th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

  Ja3far, thank you.
  smart and to the point.

• 49. cartman | October 13th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

  Rima # 23

  if i honestly have the choice i would not live in either…
  i would pack and go to New Zealand.
  but i would visit both.

• 50. Ra'fat | October 13th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

  Ja3far, again you use circular arguements that explain nothing, and of course Cartman will agree since he has no opinion of his own.
  First: As to having foreign entities removed, world history has been shaped by people displacing other people, USA, Turkey, and many other examples of people coming in and taking over. Basically the stronger dominate and history moves on. I really doubt anyone will be erasing Israel anytime or ever, it is there to stay whether you like it or not.
  Second: History is written by the winners is a fact, that is not the only thing History teaches you, but that is how it should be read.
  Third: As to people and their governments, rarely does a government have more than 50% approval no matter how good they are. Don’t pick and chose to suit your argument, A FACT is most Eastern countries are allied with the West no matter how slice and dice it. That is different from the Crusader days where it was forced on the people, the West has been invited, totally different. Plus countries make diplomatic relations among governments not based on the governments people like etc, really silly point.
  Fourth: A country to learn from means education, making your people better etc.. I got my PHD from one of the best schools in engineering in the USA, do you think IRAN or SYRIA would have offered me that? They provided me with a full scholarship and treated me very respectfully only asking of me to excel in my research and studies. And then gave me a passport to a better life (my degree) which your same Eastern people will pay me a lot for my services. Again you are extremely narrow minded in your assessment. How many Lebanese would love the chance at what I was offerred, instead of bieng treated like airport filth?
  Fifth: If all your arguments are based on where Nasrallah’s posters are and his PR machine, I guess there is no intelligent debate that can come out of that. If you believe that Hizballah gets all its money with no strings attached I wonder who the blind one here is? At least I can see the shortcomings of both sides.
  Last: What I meant by my last point from my previous post was that to explain one side over the other, point out the differences to make a point. Example saying M14 are thieves achieves nothing as M8 has a good number of thieves on their side too. Same goes about 3oumala etc…
  Salam

• 51. ja3far | October 13th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

  Rafaat … your problem is that you think everything is math and physics.. you don’t understand history; you cant see that history repeat itself in different ways… great emperors had gone with the wind ..again, if you are blind I am not god to make you see…

  look at the map and see the location of Israel … Israel in it is present shape will vanish.. the simplest way will be through the increasing number of arabs new borns compared to jewish … few years will show you

  You think the way those eastern people feel is silly .. it seems you have been transferred to a real American .. good for you :) … what you think will happen when a nice man make a nice fatwa .. have you heard what happened when iben taymiya made his famous one? organizations like al quaeda are just a small sample ..you people amaze me when you think life started when you started to walk and will finish 2 m from your nose

  Israel had been using American weapons to destroy our home land since 1948… the American policy has been supporting dictator governments in the middle east … the Americans have been abusing and steeling our resources and working on increasing the differences and tension among us since 50 years… I am an American university graduate too… so what ? I don’t care about their passport… when they start respecting my rights outside their territories I will start considering them as allies.. but , I will never accept to be anyone pet..

  regarding the relation with our allies…we have mutual benefits with the Iranians and the Syrians.. they support us… they respect us.. may be these words are not familiar to you …they mean we are not being used .. nor there are restraints… didn’t the US support the allies during WW2.. they had common benefits.. it is a simple logic, strange that an engineer cannot deduct it.

  In summary so that we don’t keep turning around.. I don’t trust the American, nor the west.. history taught me not to believe that they use me and never seek my benefits… you don’t trust iran nor Syria… if you try to move toward the west I will consider you as following the American agenda against my interests and I will use any way possible to stop u.. if you see me moving the country toward Syria or iran you will do the same… so ya zaki , use your head and deduct that the only way to survive is to try to get in the middle… widhet?
  salam

• 52. cartman | October 13th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

  Basss……everybody stop,

  el7ader ykhaber el ghayeb, w make sure that every one you meet today knows that Mr. ra’afat has a phd in engineering from the best school in the USA.
  he is one of the few people in the world to carry that diploma (5 people or less) and that school he got his diploma from…… is the only school in the world that offer engineering courses, and in that particular school oh my God…people respect each other alot more than all the other schools. u should go and see for your self…but 7aram all you are of luck/opportunities since you could not make it to America.

  and not to worry any more, ra’afat got his degree from america, the world is a better place today ladies and gentlemen.

• 53. Ra'fat | October 14th, 2008 at 12:30 am

  Cartman, great post very solid as usual. Kill meen byihki 3ala add 3akleto :0) Ja3far we would not be in disagreement if I believed that Iran and Syria would allow us to remain in the middle. It’s the I will do anything to stop you mentality that bothers me. We each see reality from the binoculars of our own experience. I am really glad we had this discussion. I just feel over the history of our nation the east gave us much more grief than the west, but I guess your view is that this is all a small point in history that will pass and the people of the east shall be victorious. I guess I do not trust that, but I DO respect your opinion, will work against it but will never “do anything to stop you”, no human being should be hurt over a difference in opinion. Plus we are both speculating and I do not think anyone can tell the future. By the way, I never said that what people feel is silly, all I said is that it is easy for one to believe what he wants.
  Salam

• 54. Ziad | October 14th, 2008 at 2:41 am

  When I was still in talking terms with some Aounis (now I can’t tolerate any member of this stupid tribe), I asked this Aouni fellow why Aoun gave the surrender orders 4 hours after he was safe in the French Embassy. His answer was that that Aoun coudn’t reach his troops by radio on the front, so he sent a messanger to Dahr al Wahesh with the surrender-to-Lahhoud orders. This messanger was killed by the LF in Kahaleh en route to Dahr el Wahish. Can you believe that the Aouni guy who told me this is a 45-year old University graduate, who’s brother in law was an army officer that died in the very same Dahr el Wahish battle on Oct 13?!!!

• 55. Michele | October 14th, 2008 at 7:17 am

  Ra’afat all my respect!!!!!!!!

• 56. kezballah | October 14th, 2008 at 7:51 am

  Ziad your story (Dahr il Wa7sh) is a EXCELLENT example of how brainwashed the Tayyar people are, they even try to convince themself that Aoun did not run away to the French embassy, he only went to talk to the diplomat but the French forced him to stay in the embassy by force!! Shou baddak ti7ki ma3on??

  It is not a surprise that they are ally with Hezbollah supporters who are the kings of brainwashed, this is the joke of the day talking about knowing history and at the same time believing that Syria respect Hezbollah, I think they forgot when Hafez Assad wanted to free the American hostages he called Hassan Fadlallah and told him to release them immediately or he will hang him in the street in Da7ie, this was 25 years ago so maybe they forget history but the respect that Syria show to Mughniya in Damascus is less than 1 year ago so how we can forget this history??

  Ya 7aram 3al ti3tir…

• 57. fad14 | October 14th, 2008 at 8:14 am

  Ziad: Love the story, it goes on to prove how illusioned they were and still are.

  I know personally the people who dropped the punk to the embassy, they were talking how he left and how he surrendered. He was still unsure is all gone till the last minute. He still thought France or America will stop them and will ask him to take over.

  Just another idiot in power, not believing its all gone.

• 58. Michele | October 14th, 2008 at 8:37 am

  Btw, I would really like to do a sort of analyze abt Aoun’s supporters, n I’m not talking here abt the businessmen who are financially supporting him for personal reasons but about the Lebanese people.

  I understand the shia supporting him as they only follow Nasrallah’s order n use their emotions rather than their logic n z luv of the nation to follow; but I can’t understand how hard i try when i see educated Lebanese Christians defending him.

  N or anyone can u write and explain what is really the motive of these people?

  I know they r not getting any financial benefit but could it simply be that this man Aoun has really a strong charisma on certain type of people that he can make them believe anything!

  It’s a known fact that most of his supporters are young people going through their identity crisis n want to revolt against z world.

  Suddenly they have this person who can go on TV, bash everyone (except of course Syria, Iran n Hezbollah) n use vulgar words… (funnily we have all always been attracted n impressed by people who r marginal either in a good way or bad).

  2nd, I guess most of this youth are into the need to belong to something, either a sport club or a party; n i must admit that Aoun’s party is a fun one; u only have to wear Orange, come up wz few songs n slogans n hop they funnily become extremely cool.
  Thanks to the older supporters, they helped them memorizing few false facts abt that General’s history n achievements so whenever u try to discuss him in front of them they recite whatever they learned n once trapped in providing any reason or logic arguments, they end up by saying: “he’s an honest man n that’s it” or simply “yo’oborné el General”!

  So i can excuse the youth as once i was young n i needed to revolt even for the wrong causes.

  But please somebody explains to me why educated Lebanese Christians follow him n of course i’m not talking here abt Cartman n Anonymous as they has they have already proven their low IQ level.

  Can someone please explain???!!!!!!

• 59. THERESINIA | October 14th, 2008 at 11:01 am

  HITLER was also MAD, yet he had 60 million followers. These folowers were cheated during 8 YEARS until the end of the war.

  When the followers of the General of RABIYEH – The NEW POPE of The Orient Christians –
  will wake up and realize that the guy is really MENTALLY ILL they will hate him and be ashamed how they have been cheated by him during all these years.

• 60. THERESINIA | October 14th, 2008 at 11:03 am

  Anyway, now he has become a KHADEM for Iran, with his hands completely tied up. They will use him until they don’t need him anymore…

• 61. Fuziyad | October 14th, 2008 at 11:23 am

  Michele, I think your anaylsis summarizes most of it, the explanation to the aounist phenomena is mainly a psychological issue rather than political one.

  There is many people who explain that aoun managed to take some christians to the syrian iranian axis because traditonnaly the christians dislike the sunnies more than the shiias as historically the rivalry was more with sunnies all this increased by the hatred of palestinians and fear of naturalization ect….

  I don’t think this is the issue, most who follow aoun follow due to a culte de la personnalité. they used to support him so they stay with him because el lebenene 3anid and loves the nkeye. the aounist phenomena from the beginning had a big part of nkeyé I remember that song “ra7 neb2a hawn mahma el 3alam alou”….people used to always raise their voice on the “mahma el 3alam alou” it’s a bit of this…

  Also the lebanese eventhough are very individualistic love the concept of zaim and if they don’t like geagea then they feel they have no choice but to be with aoun…it’s always difficult to explain to a lebanese that you have political opinions without following a particular zaim…ma bet fout b rasson…for them if you’re march 14 then you are LF or kataeb if you say no, they will think a bit and then say ahhhhhhh ahrar aw ketlé and if you say no then they will get pissed and say then you are with nayla mou3awad!!!!and even if you keep explaining you will never convince them that you are only with march14 principles and respect some politicians without having preference for one in particular…ma bet tfout bi rasson…

  What I find funny in the aounist phenomena is that they first are with aoun then build the arguments around it…Their logic is not saad is a threat to lebanon therefore I am with aoun but I am with aoun therefore saad is a threat to lebanon….I am sure that none of these aounies would have joined march8 if aoun had stayed in march14 all things being equal. Not one of them would have joined marada saying hizbis are shourafa and syria protects us from ksa ect…not one!!!

• 62. Rodge | October 14th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

  Michel & Fuziyad,

  You have both offered a very good analysis to the Aounis phenomena, and i really read that with high attention and felt as you were reading my mind and the minds of many.

  I just wanna add 3 more factors:

  The first factor is that this phenomena started in real with the ordinary people who were not belonging to any party, and some of them were suffering from the militias for different reasons, so they saw in this mad man someone who wants to achieve their dreams and expectations, he spoke loudly what they’ve been thinking in their minds (eventhough we all know that was only PAROLES as we say in french).
  So this type of people were stuck to him, and had a big impact on the generations that came after, mainly during the 15 years of exile, where none of them could have been able to see right from wrong, and many events (7 August for example) came to prove what they have learned from their fathers, mothers, big brothers etc…
  How can we explain for example why youth between 18 and 26 or 27 (who were still children or not even born in 1988-1990) worship Aoun and not only love or support him.
  So it is the fact of inheritance (we see the same in Football for example, like when we saw in the 1990 World Cup, a 10 years old guy supporting Brazil, eventhough the last achievment they made was 20 years ago and you see him speaking about how much they play good football etc… eventhough he didn’t see anything to prove it at that time), so this is similar.

  A second factor nurturing this phenomena is the hatred Aoun created towards the others, all the others, this hatred creates some blocking in his followers minds, in addition to many wrong beliefs he has been putting in their minds about the others, one is a killer, the other is a thiwf, this is corrupted etc…

  A third factor, the Army, I know many soldiers or people who served or still in the Army, who once he was their leader and they are still attached to him and to the idea thta he is the one who most defended this institution.

• 63. Fuziyad | October 14th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

  Good points Rodge, actually there is many reasons why one could be aounist before 2005 and why one would be after 2005, the mystery to me is that the reasons for the 2 don’t match and how can someone be with the aoun of baabda/paris and with the aoun of rabieh/teheran this is the patholgic part…To be honest I have some respect for the new aounie converts who before him were kawmié or with lahoud or were just being pragmatic…for example someone arguing that if you can’t beat them you should join defending alliance with hezb and syria makes some sort of sense even if we don’t share the same view but someone who tells me the same thing while he used to want to annihilate the LF, the syrian troops, and the rest of the world with 2 hunting riffles and a half is only an idiot…

• 64. asaad | October 14th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

  kezbllah
  1-3am tehkeh 3an bachir gemayel rouh shouf halifkon 3abdelhalim khedem yelle mas2oul 3an malaf allebnene bas met bashir gemayel
  2-3amtehkeh 3an dany cham3oun ma3roufe meen 2etlo .bethada aldoctor geagea yitla3 y3arid dod alkada2.iza btitala3o 2ekher hal2a taba3 dany cham3oun halifkon rachad saleme ken 3am byithemkon bi 2atlet dany cham3oun ou houwe ken mouheme labinto ou hala2 sar ma3na
  3- 3am tetehemna 2eno nehna fawatna giech alsoure 3a lebnen.medremeen fet bilta2ef
  ou mada 3ala doukhoul giech alsoure la lebnen ,medremeen mada 3al 2arar 2eno yi2sfo kasr b3abda ,midremeen 2asaf 6000
  2asife 3ala 2asr b3abda.kilna kina mna3ref syeseta la sit rida geagea yelle ma kenet tiftah siret 2ehtilel alsoure tat hafez 3ala wade3 gawza bilhabess,ento sherakto ma3 alsourieh bilhoukoume ou hatayto alwazir roger dib ou 3tarfto bi hkoumet lies alhrewe
  2ena shar3ieh taht wisayeh alsourie,samir geagea rah zar souria bil ti3inet
  4-3am tehek 3an shouhade2 2able 13 oct
  mazbout,mitil;gias khoury al3amid khalil
  ken3an, tony frangieh ,omar karame,liec
  zayek,mouhewalet katel michel aoun bil na2ach,zobat 3al hiet bee 3amcheet bee sarba
  5-ento fito bi hilf alrouba3e ou raho edmond n3eem ou sit rida geagea amine
  gemayel gtama3oma3 alsayid hassan nasrallah ou ken hezballah mabado yfout bi stratigiyet difa3 ken bedo harer folosteen
  bi wa2ta keno souria ou iran 3azimeen hal2 saro mish mneh ou kento ento gamblat
  de3meenon.ou 2ento 3melto hilf alrouba3e ta timna3o 2arar 1559.ouhala2 nehana 3melna war2et tafehom ta nafiz hal 2arar
  ousirto 2ento 3am tithmouna 2eno nehna
  3am min defe3 3an sleh hizballah 3ayb 3alaykon

• 65. cartman | October 14th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

  bekel ekhtesar,
  allah yel3an hal balad w hal wa2et le wselnelo..
  when some one like sa’ad hariri and with all due respect to his father and to the hariri’s family, when some one like sa’ad who has nothing to do with politics/education/experience/wisdom/good judgment/ who speaks 1/2 a language, raised out and away of lebanon, and would not know how to run a burger king let alone a country, sa3d hariri elyoom ra2ees akbar takatol neyebi bi libnen w ka2ed ta2efeh minna laya, and earned your repect and your loyalty w someone like oun who spend his life serving his country 3am yentashar 3ordo, 3a 7bel ghasilik ya beirut
  w al sho we are in the 21st century the civilized era,
  la we7yetkon el jehleyeh wel 3ashe2ereyeh ba3da mawjodeh.
  welsalam.

• 66. myfront | October 15th, 2008 at 8:50 am

  kil wahad ychoof halo

• 67. THERESINIA | October 15th, 2008 at 11:34 am

  YOU should add:

  ALLAH yel3an hal balad yelle wa7ad majnun, kezzab, w 7akuud, metel AOUN 3indo nes bitsad2o!!!!

• 68. Ziad | October 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

  A typical Aouni guy usually comes from a mother-dominated family looking for a strong fatherly figure.He’s used to someone taking decisions on his behalf.Latest reaearch showed that 66% of Aouni men do not go out after the “weekly” saturday-evening bath in fear of catching a cold.

• 69. asaad | October 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

  hada yrid 3alaye on my comment number 62

• 70. Octopus | October 15th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

  Catman,

  Sheikh Saad Hariri and his father earned our respect because they don’t have blood on their sleaves like Aoun.

  Unlike Aoun, they neither killed anyone nor participated in any war whatsoever.

  Nothing more to say.

• 71. Geo | October 15th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

  Who he blessed an occupation (palestenian/israeli/syrian) or cooperated with any of them should be charged for treason. We all know that all M14 components were behind teh Syrian troops on october 13, 1990. The Lebanese ppl will never forget this. ever

• 72. Geo | October 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

  No one is taking the LF resistence from you because the resitance ended in 1982. Everything LF did since Samir G took over was pur civil war and was only against other lebanese. Christians and muslims.

  The resistence does not belong to LF of Samir G. Clear

• 73. Ziad | October 16th, 2008 at 8:22 am

  Welak ya Geo yeslamli el resistence of Aoun in his Ta7rir and Ilgha wars. Badda3 and the Massi7ieh had their golden days!

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