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• 1. N10452 | January 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am

  We cannot teach people to be democratic and free their country when we are not democratic in our own party …

• 2. R | January 12th, 2008 at 11:06 am

  i see no reason to disclose this.

• 3. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 11:08 am

  I see no reason not to. There wasn’t any top secret information in the exchange, not unless you count the lets copy tayyar.org strategy.

• 4. ziko | January 12th, 2008 at 11:32 am

  Stop throwing everything on those who feed Geagea wrong information. He is responsible to have them around him.
  This is the mentality of feudal lord. He can’t stand any other opinion but him.

  The LF, a party? A democratic party? ….. They call for pluralism and yet they want to shut down supporters sites.

  Dear Geagea, people have opinions and they were born free, deal with it.

• 5. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 11:40 am

  Ziko as you are probably aware Samir Geagea was in prison when the Interent became popular and while he was in prison he didn’t have access to computers or any kind of technology.

  Now that he is free I don’t think he spends his evenings surfing the web checking his email and chatting to his buddies on MSN.

  Samir Geagea is surrounded by people who feed him with information and yes he does make the decisions but if I come and tell you what would you like Apples or Oranges what would you choose? Apples or Oranges you are not going to choose a BMW for example. If the people surrounding him are not qualified to feed him the proper information he is forced to make his decisions with whatever they have given him.

  This is why I blame the people who feed him the wrong information, its not because he can’t make the right decision its because his decisions are based on inaccurate information.

• 6. roch | January 12th, 2008 at 11:43 am

  Dear Mark,

  why dont you keep your website but also join forces with the others if its needed
  ex: post a link for the others, post a link for the official one, make a backup plan and a strategy plan together so in case of emergency you can all get the same message out without the need for each one to check what to put on his page

  i dont like to see 1 website for the LF anyway, but each time i want a precise info i need to check them all to find on which it is. like on your i know i find the tutorials for propaganda and military training. but each time i want to get this page i have to go look on all of them.

  a solution for that is to change the aim of each site:

  samirgeagea.com to concentrate on his life and political stands

  lebaneseforces.com to concentrate on what you think you offer best

  etc etc etc

  PS: your website still has the old propaganda technics during the time we were under a syrian boot, need to update this coz now its legal to print LF pics

• 7. N10452 | January 12th, 2008 at 11:49 am

  Roch,
  When Hakim was released, a group of young Lfers ( including me) sent a memo to Dr.Geagea listing all the problems and how to solve them .. on all possible levels ..

  We were motivated and willing to start everything from zero with Hakim .. unfortunatelly, we werent even welcomed and no one bothered read the paper ..

  A letter was sent to Hakim as well concernig the sites issues and no one bothered to reply …

  Ma 7ada biredd 3lek as if some people 7atteen firewall to get to Hakim ..

  There is no point in starting again any site nor any activity before the LF is cleaned ..and the way i am seeing things, it wont happen any time soon ..

• 8. M.N. | January 12th, 2008 at 11:49 am

  Mark, i think the problem in all the websites u mentioned (supporting LF) is: OFFICIAL WEBSITE.
  in all these websites it’s written “official website” which in my opinion is ridiculous..

  Personally i visit all these websites u mentioned and i like the idea of having tens of websites supporting the LF and the cause of the LF.. but we cannot have tens of official websites…

  generally speaking, u’re right defending the sites but also the LF cannot be responsible of anything written or published in other websites because as u said it’s not the party’s point of view…

  finally i think having different websites is a great idea but only 1 website must be official..

  Cheers,

• 9. N10452 | January 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am

  And who decides which one is official or not ya M.N ??

  is it fair to simply discredit one site that has been on for 10 years just because of some personal problems ??
  and build a new official and feed Hakim kam khabriyye bil mal3a2a to turn him against it ??

  The LF is becoming ridiculous ..

• 10. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

  M.N thats not true, NONE of the websites I listed say they are the official. None of them.

• 11. K | January 12th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

  Instead of waging a war on the Lebanese Forces, you could write something to the LF (I would be more than happy to help you) showing how a decentralization would actually help the Lebanese Forces, resulting in a more powerful flow of information and stronger communication means.

  I agree on having one official website, but support sites all over the Internet are very helpful, I also remember that when I was back younger, LebaneseForces.com was the only way the young generation could learn about the Lebanese Forces, its past and its cause, which was absolutely great because during the Syrian occupation the LF was sort of a taboo subject among young people, and most of them grew up knowing nothing about it.

  Anyway, I believe that you should try and convince the LF instead of simply telling them NO.

• 12. Charbel Gharios | January 12th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

  some lessons here: LF is still being run on a military basis (an order from Dr Ga3ga3!!); LF in Lebanon are lacking creativity and want to do a similar to fpm; This web site of yours is successful and showing us a new face of LFers (a democratic, free speach), they can’t stand it so in a militia way they want to eliminate it…I am from Jabal lebnen - Jbeil area so I would say: same old, same old

• 13. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

  K we all agree on having one official website, thats a given but not having any LF websites except for the official one is where we conflict. They seem to think thats better for everyone while some of us believe that would be a big mistake.

  LebaneseForces.com did play an important role in the LF back in the day and this is why the site is still online (although not active). I have kept it kinda like an online museum.

  I would love to sit with someone in charge and share with them what I know and give them ideas on how to take us forward but I won’t sit with their technical manager or the person who hired him. It has to be with someone much higher then that, with someone who actually has the power to fix things.

• 14. M.N. | January 12th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

  Mark, for ex. lebanese-forces.org, u can read: official website… in lebaneseforces.com if u click “official website” u go to the 1st one i mentioned…lebanese-forces.com is also official website…here’s the problem.. it cannot be like this, LF cannot be responsible of all these sites only 1 should be official.

  N from the beginning the problem occured, when the party created the last website and named it official:www.lebanese-forces.com.

  you said that u couldn’t or u weren’t allowed to meet 7akim to talk about it… but u know N since 7akim got out from jail too many things changed in LF, people left, new people came and i think the websites issue is related to these things…

  Franckly i don’t know who are the persons who created these websites and if these persons are still in the party or not, but leaving the old sites and create a new one has something to do with the officials inside LF.. i know it’s wrong they should continue with the old ones but here we are…

  this is like Chamati, Hindi and selman semeha issues…turning in a circle…

  now excuse me i have to go enjoy saturday night here in China where politics and political parties are the last things people think about…

  Cheers,

• 15. A Lebanon Fan | January 12th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

  If I get such threats or replies from the ones i consider as idols :-s I would rather change my views. How can you be a fan of a person ruling a party asking you to do such stuffs and giving orders :-s it’s not damascus, right ?
  Anyway, instead of having websites for persons, try to direct your work for Lebanon, the only person, thing, theory, ideology that deserves all our attention, encouragements, it is the most noble duty.
  Regards, from a lebanese citizen who wishes that her felloes lebanese become more fans of lebanon than fans of tayyar, ouwet and all theses parties bull shit

• 16. N10452 | January 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

  M.N,
  The issue is in the hands of Hakim .. either he chooses to fix things or he keeps them as they are ..

  We were rejected on many occasions and lied to when trying to meet with him .. The staff is still the same. .. Hakim’s surrounding is still the same .. once he starts cleaning the LF and bringing the fresh young guys, once we have a democratic party, once we have an elite, the LF will flourish like the past. .

  For the time being, the best thing to do is keep the LF political line intact, at least through those ‘UNOFFICIAL’ sites .. and the one and only official http://www.lebanese-forces.org

• 17. roch | January 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

  RE: 7. N10452 | January 12th, 2008 at 11:49 am

  if you have no way to get to geagea and convince him of your ideas, you are in no way obliged to follow his and the LF party decisions over the internet websites

  if they have a problem with you, either they come to you, or press charges for taking their name.

  of course it would be silly from them to do so as you are not attacking them in your websites but are arguing their decisions. and you are not making money from the website, so you are not stealing anyone.
  but the name of the LF is officialy for the party, and legaly the party is under the hands of geagea. until some other members claim their ownership of the party name (gemayel or ex LF chiefs) its possible for geagea to stop you from using his name or his party name.

  PS: i am not sure about the laws on his matter in lebanon, but if your website is hosted in the usa, they cant touch you coz the laws of the internet in the usa take in consideration the first one to use the domain name.

• 18. taaaaaj | January 12th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

  Before a general assembly nothing in this LF is official! (except the lebanese-forces.org akid:>)

• 19. georges daher | January 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

  N10452 SAID: “We cannot teach people to be democratic and free their country when we are not democratic in our own party …”

  Well my friend N, in the democartic countries that you are trying to immitate they do not allow a website like this one to be operating without the approval of the real representative of the lebanese forces. you have to admitt one thing is that the real representative of the LF and the one who is speaking in ower names as LFers in DSG and no one else.
  maybe there is mistakes and maybe there is problems but these problems are on our sholders, all of us from DSG to the smalest individual in the LF. please stop doing these kind of actions that will lead to more and more divisions in our LF. the LF is a cause, we put gave blood together for this cause, stop being selfish and try to see for once the advantage of unity in our ranks. if you see that there is mistakes in LF, come and try to change it from inside but don’t weaken our party and cause just because of selfishness and I WAS HERE FIRST.
  you are making like shouhoud yahwa how think that the clerks in the church are not good so they go and devide the church by making another church just to proove their point of view and they don’t try to fix the problems from inside, don’t be like these aounist who were once Bashirist and now cause they don’t like DSG they go to aoun and they weaken the LF. just stay LFer and try to change what is wrong from inside.
  DSG ma bhayeto khen l 2adiyeh, walla l shouhada, give the man a chance, ma tkouno doddo wel 2awda3 yalli bel balad doddo, stick to him even when he is wrong and try to make him find out the problem and he will listen…
  cheers

• 20. jay | January 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

  Granted that there are several similarly-sounding websites/blogs that promote the ideals of LF I think their approach is counter-productive to say the least.

  Mark, rather than take offensive to this strange email how about suggesting possible ways so you and other sites can co-operate with the ‘official’ LF site. This way we can all benefit from enriched content and broader coverage.

• 21. danny/palmbeach | January 12th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

  whatever you do ouwet.com must stay open.

• 22. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

  Jay we tried that already but our suggestions and requests for meetings were rejected.

  Also isn’t it the job of the “technical manager” to suggest and implement creative ideas to help enforce are online presence? If we are going to do the technical managers job they might as well fire him.

• 23. Ziad | January 12th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

  Sorry Mark but your site stinks. You talk about youth and a new democratic LF and all what you have on your site is war stories and “training guides” for God’s sake.You better fix it before you criticize Geaegea or whoever for wanting to close you down. You may want to do something similar to this blog, democratic and fair, what the LF should realy strive for.

• 24. wassim | January 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

  N ana bed3amak:P ma3 eno ana dodak bel siyese bas hal site bdalne fout 3le bas http://www.lebanese-forces.com ma bet7amalo

• 25. Tareq | January 12th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

  Guys, my neutral opinion (I am not LF but support LF) is:

  You were first before lebanese-forces.com, you served LF in dark days so you deserve to be the official site. But other LF people took it from you because they are more connected to DSG, it is wrong what they did because they dont give you a chance to continue your work. But this is the reality now, you can fight them or you can ignore them and keep doing a good job. Fighting is waste of time, I think it is better to give the service they cant give, like this blog (there is no moderator so its more free speech). You cant compete with them on news service they are very quick so I respect them for this (lebanese-forces.org dont give news anymore it is the same from November). You should give different better service so the users keep coming, one day DSG cant ignore you.

• 26. Looser | January 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

  Dear Sir,

  If the Lebanese forces and it´s representative don´t want your site because it could be bad for the Cause why do you insist ?? just do your thing under a different name for example : Lebanese forces Rebels or something like that you have no right to speak in the name of the LF .. I think it´s a comon sence and i must tell you that the new technical manager is right ..or you are a memeber of the LF or not… if you are noss noss .. just right under a different name. Lech m3anad metl el General …..

• 27. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

  Ziad if you are talking about LebaneseForces.com that site as I mentioned above was closed down once Samir Geagea was released. That site served a purpose at one point and now it just remains there as a reminder.

  Now if you like that site or not it really doesn’t matter because the issue here is not a popularity contest.

• 28. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

  I’ve noticed some of you are diverting this subject to who should be official and who shouldn’t be.

  This is not the problem here. This post is NOT about which site should be official, its about the fact that the LF wants to shutdown all the websites of their supports and only keep their website up. Thats the problem.

• 29. Danny | January 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

  Wow,

  This is a nice…However, I do not know who has contacted who. Doing dirty laundry in full public view is attrocious and does not have any positive endings ever!! Egos aside this issue should be discussed internally! I believe an official part has to have one site. You do not have two “official” Republican/Democratic party sites…As for Ouwet.com, they cannot control the content or the forum as far as it does not use the site to further “Syrian mukhabarati”/Aouny/HA goals.
  I can feel the acrimony and frustration at the same time. These are issues that should be discussed when there’s a convention of LF. If you do not agree then you are free to leave the party. Why stay if you do not shre their ideas and opinions…
  IS THERE A LF CONVENTION FOR DELEGATES AND MEMBERS???

• 30. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

  Danny if I don’t share the ideas or opinions of some LF members it doesn’t mean I don’t believe in the LF. The LF isn’t a person I can agree or disagree with, the LF is a belief an ideology. If I disagree with what they have to say I try to find a solution to fix it but I don’t leave an go join another party.

• 31. Bachir 7ay Fina | January 12th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

  Mark
  lezim tkamlo li ano heide yemkin el tari2a lwa7ide la tousalo wejhit nazarkoun lal 7akim.
  ba3ed la halla2 ma 3refet wala majmou3it chabeb talabit t2abil el 7akim w 2edrit.
  bi 2iyem Bachir kenit el dene 7areb w 2ayme w 2e3de w 3ale2it asghar fared bel 2ouwet kenit deghre ma3o.
  L7akim b3id 3an 2awe3do el cha3biyeh.

• 32. Riemer Brouwer | January 12th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

  Amazing development Ouwet! I covered it on my blog, as well. Please don’t give in to such pressure, the Internet needs more uncensored information about politics.

• 33. theCourtFool | January 12th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

  STAY UP!

  I strongly encourage the continuation and persistance of this Blog, regardless if I agree with it always or not.

  please notify me, I this memo needs spreading?
  I doubt, it’ll damage the image of the Lebanese Forces, and Not of Dr. Samir Geagea.

  The problem with the Tayyar… is that they’re too Aounists. And the LFers, they’re too Pro-Geagea.

  We are the future, not them.
  The Lf had great ideals, and courageous ways.
  Tayyar el Watani el hurr, has educational and inspirational network of great people. The problem is Aoun.

  I say ignore this letter, the more they’ll make talk about, the more you;ll make an issue out of it.

  The Inner Circle supports your Blog, and would help pitch in, in any way!

• 34. fad14 | January 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

  I say keep the blogs but just put a big note that these are not OFFICIAL websites and posts here are not official press releases of Samir Geagea or LF as an organization.

  Some posts are amateurish and some are very good and there are a lot of enemies of LF who are using them against you.

• 35. LF Forever | January 12th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

  Mark, N and …

  The internet law “ignorant”, is clear that you can’t register any domain name of another! “mala fede, law” means you can’t register samirgeagea.com without his approval and if he ask it to himself, you should give it to him. He can have it beleive me! this is the domains law. go and read it. If he can prove that he is the president of the party LF. you can’t register any name related to the party too.
  Beleive me this is an international law. you can’t register names of others. I know it is difficult in Lebanon to obtain this justice because of the slow procedures bu once it arrive, it arrive! and you are finished. look the end of Mr. Bakradouni.

  Anyway finally we begin to understand that ouwet.com, as much s I like it, is not an official website! but I remember in the past you guys (N) told me, when I told to stop attacking the Leadership, that they are representing the LF “in some word” he is allwed to do it and he was doing his job!

  Shoking to know that you guys are pyrates and you have no approval of the leadership.

  Finally now, we know what our party needs! and not listening at your bullshit anymore.

  Hope that you stop now, critcizing the LF and pretending that you care about the party and trying to be constructive.

  In a democratic party and country, people respect the leader and don’t disturb his policy and put his diffect in pubblic, just to make fun of him pretending that this is the way of democracy.

  Hope you get the right message from the base and hope you guys follow the matter in a smart way. because beleive it is out law if geagea need his name and the party name back.

  Because he was in the jail doesn’t mean you can register his name and fool him! this is international law of domains and it happen to me in my business…

• 36. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

  LF Forever as usual you are wrong. I have been to court on another domain case against a popular band (Blind Melon) who I owned the domain for (blindmelon.com) and I was able to win the case because I proved to the national arbitration forum that I didn’t profit from the domain name neither did I register it in bad faith which are 2 of the 3 requirements in cases like this. You can find a copy of the forums finding here:

  http://domains.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/741833.htm

  As you can see I have every right as a citizen to own and run the domains LebaneseForces.com and SamirGeagea.com as long as I am not making profit from them or turning them into porn sites.

  So I guess it is you who is how did you put it.. “ignorant”?

• 37. LF Forever | January 12th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  and having samirgeagea.com and the cross of LF and delaring that you are LFerer and the official representetive of LF asking you to quit using the name as you like. you think you are going to win th case as blindmelon? and this is the law?! wait and see Mark. Is fair your protest and I suggest you to make a deal with LF and try to close it friendly. If you need some help, let me know, still early. beleive me you can’t use the name samirgeagea.com because he was in the jail and he had no access to internet to register his own name! if you are gentelman you give it to him back. for the rest of the domains we wait until the national convention.

• 38. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

  LF Forever in a case like this IF it went to court the complainant would have to prove the following three in order to obtain the rights to domain:

  (1) the domain name registered by the Respondent is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which the Complainant has rights;

  (2) the Respondent has no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the domain name; and

  (3) the domain name has been registered and is being used in bad faith.

  As you can see in this case the complainant can only prove 1 out of the 3 requirements needed which is requirement 1 and that would not be enough to take the domains off me, they would need to provide proof for all 3 requirements.

  But anyway you have taken us off topic here because this isn’t about who owns what domains this is about the LF wanting to shutdown all the sites of its supporters no matter what domain they have. They are not after the rights to the domains they are after the sites.

• 39. LF Forever | January 12th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

  Mark,

  to shut it down without reason! They can’t. Anyway you own this blog and you do whatever you like. If they win by court, ok. If not this is yours and you do whatever you like. This is a democratic country!
  But to b honest it hurts so much when you guys begin to criticize the party in pubblic! we are abroad and we suffer so much this matter of bla bla.

• 40. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

  No LF Forever, they do have a reason why they want to shutdown the websites, if you read the technical managers emails you would see their reason.

  There is nothing wrong with criticizing the party in public.

• 41. LF Forever | January 12th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

  They can ask! doen’t mean they have the right?

  Poor Geagea, he is behind 11 years…LBC gone and webistes….to late to bring back his right after being jailed for 11 years specially in the era of internet and sattelite.

  Samir Geagea, was in the jail for us too Rafik. we all suffer the jail that period, doesn’t mean we take advantage of this.

• 42. taaaaaj | January 12th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

  “Poor Geagea”, “his right”! What about the Lebanese Forces? what about the cause!?

• 43. LF Forever | January 12th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

  lebanese-forces.org

  why it is written the official LF website? is it true? something wrong?

• 44. LF Forever | January 12th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

  taaaaaj,

  stay in an underground jail for 11 years and come back and talk about cause.

• 45. taaaaaj | January 12th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

  LF Forever,
  Loose family in the Jabal war and then come back and talk to me!
  If SG stayed 11 years in jail (and I respect that) other sacrificed much much more! So spare me!

• 46. ziko | January 12th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

  Mark they can’t close any site that has the name of the Lebanese forces, let it be official or not.

  They know that. The problem is not only with those around Geagea. We know they do not deserve to be working for KFC. But if you are in place of Samir Geagea, you do not put these people in charge. These people are there to tell him yes master, yes master yes master. And for sure they are the type of screwing every one else to keep a position. You and teh rest are not that type. You do not say yes master when you see something wrong and you do not screw others to get a position.

  Samir Geagea is in a bad situation in every single level. Do not be fooled by those who go attend meetings and clap hands. He has serious issues when it come to educated people who cna make a difference in the party. They left and some are about to leave. Why? The team that messed up things while Geagea was in jail is the one that Geagea trust.

  So in short, Geagea is also to blame. If you were in his shoes, you would have picked a better team. No one is forcing Geagea not to pick up his phone and call x and y and z. He knows them, he worked with them. So It is his choice. Yes those around him are the worst you can see in the LF, but the decision was his to put them there.

• 47. Ace | January 12th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

  Danny said -

  “Egos aside this issue should be discussed internally! ”

  and he’s right, but - isn’t that the whole problem? They are not willing to meet and “discuss” anything.

  This is your answer Mark - respond to all of these emails from an ever changing parade of “managers” that you will be more than happy to meet with their committee, including of course Dr. Geagea, whenever they wish. Stress that it is important to come to decisions and co-ordinate internet resources for the good of the Lebanese Forces. That’s it - no other response. You know what the law is, and you know it’s on your side. You don’t need to give them any other response.

  It smacks a bit much of the type of thing that is happening to the lfpm forum. Tayyar wants it shut down - they want to take it over. It’s all about “control” and that’s the thing about the internet - it’s all about freedom of information.

  Stick to your guns on this, and if they don’t want their “dirty laundry” exposed - they know how to stop that. A meeting ….. how simple and democratic is that?

• 48. abou layla | January 12th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

  dear mark one answer go back to war or live free

• 49. Arze | January 12th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

  Believe me….The only reason people like Fpmers , and Ex lfers come this ouwet.com its because its not affiliated to the official lf site.

  People visit this site more then they visit the LF official website

  Althought new Lfers…i still respect people monitoring this website

• 50. paul | January 12th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

  The “official site ” is unfortunately boring and bureaucratic, on ouwet.com we can discuss all kinds of topics with tension and humor.

• 51. Johnny.B | January 12th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

  man the lebanese-forces.com hasn’t been updated ever since before hakim got out … illo yil7ass tizi

• 52. paul | January 12th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

  Jhonny.B, ba3d yalle iltoman ana ma7allak ma bfout 3a heida l blog lakam yom

• 53. ahiram kanaan | January 12th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

  I’d follow Hakim’s orders, in battle, til’ death. In peace time I decide wich orders to abide to.
  Keep Ouwet.com ALIVE.

• 54. ahiram kanaan | January 12th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

  johnny.B, get all your mirandas to come lick my oranges.

• 55. abou layla | January 12th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

  as they say its created to stay no ouwet no 10452km square

• 56. abou layla | January 12th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

  one more thing i dont want to grow up to be like tayyar i want to stay young like ouwet

• 57. damir hay | January 12th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

  It is a shame to expose exchanged email between LF websites.

  Don’t shut your website but please delete this post.

• 58. Danny | January 12th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

  Mark,

  Just a little advise. Cool down. If someone disagrees with his/her party leader and revolts against the leader they get thrown out of the party. This is not dictatorial my friend It happens ever day in very democratic countries like Canada for example. As for your assertion that LF is an idea….etc….good for you. You can have civil discussions within a party and if you disagree with where the party is heading you can do:
  Quit the party
  Stay and fight within the rules
  Start your own party…
  Do not confuse your nostalgia, contributions and efforts through the years with party rules and regulations.
  Otherwise you are Whining….

• 59. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

  Danny I think you misread everything I wrote. I am not disagreeing with where the party is heading nor am I revolting against the leader. I don’t know how you misinterpreted everything I wrote and ended up with that conclusion.

• 60. Danny | January 12th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

  and…

  Keep the site on and independent. You can be the voice of the dissident…They’ll listen to you/us if they have an ounce of brain. My comments are never meant that LF own the ouwet.com.

  They can ask all they want. There are many issues that are being thrown around simultaneously…Keep it open. However noone can claim it to be “official site”.I am sure the administrator who wrote those emails is in a withdrawal right now for being stupid enough in doing so by email…in this tech age LOL..

• 61. Ano | January 12th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

  I know that this point has been discussed before,

  but the only issue i see is that more than one site claims to be the “OFFICIAL WEBSITE”. i think there should be many sites supporting the LF and about the LF, but logically, only one can be official. When you say official, you suppose that it is connected to the party.

  Take football teams for example, you can have many fan sites about a team, but only one site can be the official team’s site.

  It’s the same with political parties. Only one site can be official. Others should continue to exist as unofficial sites.

  Another thing, i believe that “technical manager” should be demoted or at least banned from communicating with the outside world and represent the LF. he’s a disaster.

  My 2 cents.

• 62. LF Forever | January 12th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

  Mark,

  Take care on criticizing in this blog! it might turn against you! they wrote to you an email so what answer by email.

  What is the reason to answer in the blog. Just to have attention? now you have it, so what?

  I have the feeling that everytime somebody criticize you. you answer that they misunderstand and they miss interpretations. Do you ever though that maybe you can’t explain yourself and you are bit on the offensif each time?

  Mark,

  take at your team too not only the Geagea one! sometime your small guys like othello and N goes out any balance…

• 63. Mark | January 12th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

  LF Forever why are you so jumpy?

• 64. LF Forever | January 13th, 2008 at 12:13 am

  Mark,

  I am not jumpy but sad to be honest!

  Why all this bullshit? not from you only but from all the LF online. Seems that we don’t have nobody to attack except attaking eachothers!

  You guys continue anyway your blog and if Geagea doesn’t like it, so fuck off. no? why we have to put it online and let the Aounist make fun of us?

  God bless you and bless our country.

• 65. Irange | January 13th, 2008 at 12:18 am

  Mark, N10452… is our problems moving to inside our LF house?

  Why…????? Walla 7aram…

  Mark do you deny that tayyar.com is between the most websites visited in Lebanon? do you deny that they have developed a huge and strong network?
  If you learn from the experience of others is not a mistake, even if this other is Tayyar!

• 66. jad1984 | January 13th, 2008 at 1:00 am

  ma ra7 2o2ra shi min al comments ana bera2ye ykoon fi web wa7ad official w al shabeb bil 2 groups yishtighlo 3a web wa7ad w yestafeedo min 7alon se3ita minkoon kteer 2weya 7aram ykoon fi 2 .. w bil neheye al ouwet bi 2eyedet al 7akim 2alit ino the other one is official ma3 i7tirame la shabeb hayda al web taba3 al .org 3anjad keno be3a2do bi wa2t al wojood al soore w ya3teyon al 3afe

• 67. Mourakib | January 13th, 2008 at 1:09 am

  How interesting all this debate…
  Keep the site and I hope that the officials in the LF party has learned few things.

  If the LF is to thrive and move forward, they need to take into consideration all of the available resources and if I was in their shoes, I would come forward and speak with the owners of these blogs rather sending orders.

  Cheers

• 68. walter peers | January 13th, 2008 at 2:36 am

  there is a great difference between the official web site and this one. on this one, people can voice their opinions on issues from the unimportant, to the most important. while the official site is the official point of view of the L.F. keep this site alive. help maintain a sort of freedom of speech in lebanon. next they might tell all the face book web pages to close because the official L.F has a face book. that is B.S.

• 69. Abollam | January 13th, 2008 at 3:03 am

  Good stand point. We support you. I am sure the LF will recognize reality… I truly believe they became democratic… I hope it is just a relapse.

• 70. Marc to Mark | January 13th, 2008 at 5:39 am

  Mark,
  Never close any of your websites… Our goal as LFyers is to make our country more democratic and free, your websites are the proof that we can express & expose our ideas and critics.
  Your websites are excellent, true and authentic.
  Democraty doesn’t take orders from anyone…
  Tace care
  Marc

• 71. Traffic | January 13th, 2008 at 10:01 am

  HHMMM let me take a crack on this.
  Lebanese forces is a registered party according to the Lebanese interior ministry, so I believe if you want to state any reference to the LF in your main address or how you officially present your site then it should be with their consent.
  Apart from that you can identify your site using any other name with no reference to the LF and discuss whatever the hell you want to discuss, whether it is LF matters or not.
  I think there was some litigation issues further back (caused by what one of the so called official sites have written) which might be the root cause of this whole ordeal.
  Simply, I agree with what the LF communiqué said (there should be only one official site) although I might have some reservations as to the style used.

• 72. Shadow | January 13th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

  N10452 ,

  Opening many websites under same name is not something democratic at all.
  On lebaneseforces.org you have put an official website for LF where in reality it is not . This causing confusion among many LFers which website is the official one .

  Using exactly the same name is something not democratic at all.

  do you think By opening many websites for Lebanese Forces will help LF cause ?

  What I know that today LF has one leader which is Dr samir Geagea .

  Long Live LF.

• 73. Tarek | January 13th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

  I think no one has the right to close or even ask for the closing of mark’s websites. I hope someday that the guys like you mark inside the LF committee, this will make a real difference.

• 74. PAULETTE | January 13th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

  DEAR MARK.I HOPE U UNDERSTAND THE POSITION OF THE LF.LIKE IN THE DAYS OF WAR,”WA77ADNA LBAROUDE,NOW, IN THE PEACE TIME WE SHOULD UNIT THE MEDIA TOGHETHER,ESPECIALLY THAT THE LF ARE IN STRUGGLE TO TAKE BACK THE LBC. BUT THIS DOES’NT MEAN THAT YOU SHUT DOWN YOUR SITE,ESPECIALLY THAT THE MARKETING MANAGER GAVE YOU 2 OPTIONS,OR YOU SHUT DOWN,OR U JOIN A SUB DOMAIN IN THE OFFICIAL WEB SITE. AND THIS IS COMMON SENCE.WHY DON’T YOU TRY TO TAKE A POSITIVE ATTITUDE,AND TAKE THE SECOND OPTION.YOU WILL BE ,THIS WAY , VERY OFFICIAL.ON THE OTHER HAND ,DON’T U SEE THAT ALL THE FPM’ERS ARE ENCOURAGING U TO REFUSE? LIKE THE HYPOCRITE ARZE.SO DON’T GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO INSERT CONFLICT BETWEEN YOU AND THE LF LEADERSHIP. BELIEVE ME THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO GO. SINCERELY YOURS.

• 75. Tareq | January 13th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

  Today lebaneseforces.com put on their site banner “Al Mawki3 Al Rasmi Al Wa7id”

  If I were in Mark shoes I will say on my site “unofficial site” and then they don’t have the right to ask me anything…they can’t say close it because it is not their business…the site will be obvious not under LF administration.

  The other problems about democracy and stuff in LF is a waste time in my opinion…Many important LF people complain before about no democracy in LF and they form opposition to DSG but LF supporters stayed with DSG most of them, that is like a democratic referendum…Even Abu Nader and Pousy Ashkar etc…they form another party and no one join them from LF.

  You are all smart people don’t waste your time with little things…like we say do good things (for LF and Lebanon) and throw in the sea

• 76. eternalsleeper | January 14th, 2008 at 7:13 am

  Lebanese Forces represents democracy; asking supporters of Lebanese Forces to close a Lebanese Forces forum is an undemocratic suggestion.

  With all due respect to the “official” site, I prefer this “unofficial” site more.

• 77. Riemer Brouwer | January 14th, 2008 at 9:52 am

  Is there any proof or confirmation that the request was actually legit and not fake?

• 78. Mark | January 14th, 2008 at 10:03 am

  His email was @lebanese-forces.com and I replied back to that address and he received it and replied back so its not someone pretending to be from the official site, its someone from the official site.

• 79. charbel | January 14th, 2008 at 10:29 am

  dear,
  lebanese-forces.com is the official website, plz refer to the memo u received from the technical manager of the website it is signed by doctor geagea.
  u can not post views of the lebanese forces because u do not represent them, u are not supporting the lebanese forces by displkaying the lf cross, or mentioning that the lf offfcial website is the lebanese-forces.org.
  u don’t have the right to use dr geagea’s name to create a website that he wants to close.
  u are still promoting the lf military image that the lebanese forces abandoned a long time ago.
  if u still believe in such way to acheive ur goals than u know nothing about samir geagea nor the lebanese forces..
  i hope u listen to the sound of reason and close ur websites. the hezbollah channel is quoting from your sites to attack dr geagea and the lebanese forces, is that how u are supporting the christian cause???

• 80. Cheers | January 14th, 2008 at 11:39 am

  Mark.

  I am sure there is a much better way and place to resolve this issue than here.
  You could have raised this question with one of his aides, LF MPs, and a number of other channels you’re definetely capable of getting direct e-mails or contact info. But here in this manner, is destructive (or damaging) to your cause. And you can tell from the responses, el m7ebbin ktar….

  Cheers

• 81. eddy | January 14th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

  Dear Mark,

  well i used to be LFer i used to believe in the cause but not anymore trust me i read daily: cnn, nahar, ur site and other european websites.
  each time i read ur website i enjoy it because i feel finaly i found someone in lebanon correct and FREE maybe it will take people another century to understand that we are born FREE we will talk FREE we will decide FREE we will think FREE and we follow whatever you feel its sounds correct and logic.(that is freedom democratie moderate country)not following leader as dogs or bodygards, we have the right to say everything we want. well frankly! you should open or think of something different a new party i lost hopefrom all the lebanese partys it became to dirty and i will be 1st one to follow you, if normal intelligent people still exist in this country i guess we will be in many. Good luck once again i like ur work.

• 82. eddy | January 14th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

  and maybe Mark should have the official website because he is still talking the same language this party used to talk. (the others learned a new language and version that cannot be respected)

• 83. John | January 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

  Mark,
  You are free to open any fan site for the LF, but you cannot open a website and claim that it is the official Lebanese Forces website. Opening a website supporting the cause or Samir Geagea is different than opening a website and claiming it is the official one (even though you may have worked hard to open it and to keep it online).

  As per to your example of Justin Timberlake fan sites, non of them claim to be the official website without the aknowledgement and the permission of the man himself. Any fan site that does that gets sued and is eventually closed down. There are many laws pertaining to this.

  I really do appreciate all the hard work you have done for the LF, especially with this blog. To bad the leadership is foolish enough to do everything possible to rid itself of educated voices such as yours and ours..

  John

• 84. Mark | January 14th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

  Everyone for the last time, I did NOT open up an LF site and call it official!

• 85. Ryda | January 14th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

  Je sais pas si j’ai tout à fait le droit de m’interférer dans les affaires des FL; mais je me demande en quoi centraliser les infos du parti sur un seul website le rendrait + efficace… au contraire.

  ouwet.com c’est ce qui fait l’originalité et le franc-parler des FL, c’est aussi une vision ouverte et sans complexe de la société libanaise sur tout ce qui compose ce monde.
  Je pense qu’on a besoin d’un coin sur la toile pour exprimer librement ses idées.

  bon courage

• 86. PAULETTE | January 14th, 2008 at 10:04 pm

  MARK. I JOIN JOHN DEEPLY IN HIS AVICE.DO’NT LISTEN TO THE OTHERS.THEY ARE NOTYHING BUT SELLERS OF BEAUTIFUL WORDS,AND HAVE HYPOCRITE TARGESTS BEHIND THEIR HEADS.I KNOW THAT YOURS ARE HIGH AND FULL WITH THE LOVE OF THE LF’S CAUSE.BUT BELIEVE ME, NOTHING CAN STAY LONG IF NOT WELL ORGANIZED. DISCIPLINE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BASE FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION,OR ANY GREAT TARGET TO ACHIEVE. GO, AND MEET WITH THE MARKETING MANAGER. I’M SURE YOU WON’T BE DECIEVED.AND IF ( LASAMA7ALLA) YOU CLOSE THE SITE,ALL THE BEAUTIFUL VOICES YOU ARE HEARING NOW WILL GO INSTANTLY AND SEARCH FOR ANOTHER SITE TO PASS THEIR TIME IN. ONLY PEOPLE LIKE JOHN AND ME WILL BE DEEPLU SAD. MY BEST REGARDS AND TAKE CARE.

• 87. paul | January 16th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

  Paulette,

  You lie.

• 88. PAULETTE | January 16th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

  DEAR PAUL. VERY CONVINCING REPLY.”TAMAKHADA LJABALOU FAWALADA FA2RAN.”.CONGRATULATIONS AOUNIST MAN. YEAH.

• 89. paul | January 16th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

  paulette,

  your comments makes me remember aoun.

• 90. PAULETTE | January 17th, 2008 at 9:38 pm

  PAUL. GOOD. SO YOU DIDN’T JUSTIFY YOUR FIRST ANSWER YET. BUT YOU ADDED ANOTHER NONSENSE. VERY GOOD BEGINING.

• 91. paul | January 18th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

  I have nothing against you but against your comment 86 DO’NT LISTEN TO THE OTHERS.THEY ARE NOTYHING BUT SELLERS OF BEAUTIFUL WORDS,AND HAVE HYPOCRITE TARGESTS BEHIND THEIR HEADS.I am one from those others . You have described your own comrades just as unfaithful and time distributor.VERY SAD BEGINNING.

• 92. paul | January 18th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

  *Paulette.

• 93. PAULETTE | January 18th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

  IF MY OWN COMRADE IS WRONG I WON’T LIE TO HIM AND I WILL TELL HIM THE TRUTH. YOU ARE WRONG PAUL . THE LF NEEDS TO BE STRONGLY ORGANIZED NOW. IT’S NOW OR NEVER, ESPECIALLY, LIKE I SAID,THE LBC IS STILL NOT BACK TO US. THAT’S 1… 2- WHEN I TALKED I SPECIFIED ARZE,AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM, BECAUSE HE IS A DIRTY AOUNIST. READ AGAIN WHAT I WROTE. AND YOU DEAR PAUL YOUR ARE ENTHOUSIASTIC ABOUT LF.BLOG. WE ALL ARE, BUT IT DOES’NT MEAN THAT I APPROVE THIS SITE TO BE OVER THE LF POLITICAL STRATEGY. IT NEEDS TO BE LEGAL AND ORGANIZED UNDER THE OFFICIAL LF FLAG. OTHERWISE , IT WILL HURT, SOONER OR LATER THE LF. AND THEIR GOALS.DEMOCRACY NEVER MEANT “FAWDA”AT THE CONTRARY, IT’S A VERY ORGANIZED SYSTEM,THAT ASSURE EVERYONE’S RIGHTS. TAKE CARE COMRADE.

• 94. paul | January 18th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

  The question remains, who decides what is right and what is wrong, only the future can show us.I always take space from tightly organized parties maybe it is a case of mentality and experience.

• 95. PAULETTE | January 19th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

  HOW OLD R U PAUL,TO HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN ME?(I’M 50 YEARS OLD,& I NEVER LEFT LEBANON.SO I HAVE ALL THE EXPERIENCE NEEDED). IT IS NOT BY TAKING SPACE FROM TIGHTLY ORGANIZED PARTIES THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO STICK TIGHTLY TOGHETER, IF WE WANT TO REACH A HAPPY END TO OUR STRUGGLE. TOGHETHER MEANS HUGE ORGANIZATION TO GO ON.OTHERWISE IT’S WAISTING TIME AND EFFORTS AND MOST OF ALL: MARTYRS.WE CAN AFFORD EASIER WAYS OF DEMOCRACY ONCE WE WIN. UNTIL THEN WE HAVE TO GROUP OUR EFFORTS AND SETTLE THEM ON THE SAME WAVE. DOING THIS DEMAND TO BE UNDER THE LF STRATEGIES,AND NOT EVERYONE SINGING IN ITS OWN WAY.I HOPE U UNDERSTOOD ME NOW. AT THE END IT’S US WHO DECIDES WHAT’S RIGHT.AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR NOW IS LIKE WHAT I SAID IN MY POST. HAVE CONFIDENCE IN Dr GEAGEA. HE CAME FROM THE PEOPLE RANKS,HE STRUGGLED AND SACRIFIED A LOT. HE CAN’T BE FOOLISHED BY HIS ENTOURAGE,AND HE IS BUILDING GREAT BASICS FOR THE LF TO LAST FOREVER.LET US TRUST HIM AND BELIEVE ME WE WON’T BE DISAPPOINTED.

• 96. paul | January 20th, 2008 at 1:40 am

  I have full confidence in Dr. geagea and he makes his task very well.I agree with you that unity makes us stronger, but there are things the LF should simply not note. The total control make the members not able to develop their own ideas.I mean if this blog will be officiall I am sure that we ´will only read the same opinions Which only represents one political direction.Pls. Paulette dont misunderstand me the LF is in mein heart and my blood .I am 44 years old.

• 97. PAULETTE | January 20th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

  I BELIEVE YOU NOW PAUL.AND I’M NOW DEEPLY SURE YOU’RE A VERY GOOD LF’ER. BUT WHY ARE U SO AFRAID?DON’T MISUNDERSTAND ME.I MEAN MAYBE TOGHETHER AND MARK AND THE OTHERS WE CAN KEEP THE BLOG ON AND UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF DR. GEAGEA.IF YOU WANT ,CONTACT THE OTHERS AND CALL ME ON 03170661.

• 98. PAULETTE | January 20th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

  HEY PAUL.DR.GEAGEA WILL BE ON FUTUR TV/AL-ISTI7KAK,WITH ALI HAMADE THIS WEDNESDAY,AFTER 8 PMNEWS.

• 99. paul | January 20th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

  I know them all by name only and have no private contact with them.thx.for the trust to give me your phone nr.I am unfortunately not in lebanon but I will call you when I am there and wednesday after 8pm news i will watch futur tv.

• 100. PAULETTE | January 21st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

  OK PAUL.TAKE CARE.

• 101. 007 | March 21st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

  be smarter than hakim, ask for $1.000.000 and give them the domain name…

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